Re: [Aslx] FW: How to get ASL VASL going?

Ok, that makes sense.  Thanks!

Matt

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> On Dec 8, 2013, at 7:32 AM, Tom Jazbutis <tom_jaz-/[email protected]> wrote:
> 
> - Yes, either player can move any of the pieces on the board.   Indeed, even a third observer not playing the game can move them.....but this is considered incredibly worse than just bad manners.  Thankfully, it does not happen often, and the few times somebody does (losing awareness of the fact that it is a live game in progress) they get dope-slapped.  As the the opponents, just like in a FtF game, everybody can move all the units.  Again, manners would strongly suggest that you ask what you can see in an opponent's stack/hex rather than (electronically) pawing through them yourself.
> 
> - The game is not playable without some form of verbal communication between players. There needs to be a channel of verbal communications so that a player can indicate when/who  is prep firing,  who is moving and what MP/MF they are expending, when to stop for D-Fire, need to go to the bathroom, etc..... Before Skype, this was done through the chat window on the control screen....a bit cumbersome, but workable.  Now that free Skype is available, that is the verbal communication channel of choice. It does make it difficult for subsequent non-playing observers to understand what is going on...small price to pay for what is very close to a FtF experience.
> 
> - You roll the dicebot (on the control window), verbally agree on the result, and make the electronic pieces reflect those results. Some question the true randomness of the various dicebots.....<shrug>....play someone you trust or get a video camera to show a physical dr/DR?  Seems a lot of trouble for a game based on cardboard pieces?   Just my opinion.....
> 
> - If you have a stack of units.....select the stack, right click, that will expand the stack and you can select and move/manipulate individual counters in the expanded stack.  You can select multiple units within the stack by holding down the shift key as you select them.  Select the expanded stack and right click again to unexpand.
> 
> - There is (used to be?) a bug where if the stack was on a hex that spanned two boards (half in one, half in the other) where the stack in the shared hex was actually 2 stacks administratively on two boards.  I *think* this may have been solved, but if not, you just move all the units that are supposed to be there to a hex that is unambiguously on one board, create/organize  your stack, and move it back to the shared hex it needs to be on.  Not unlike taking a physical stack to an empty area of a board, putting it in order, and putting it back.
> 
> - Something else that has happened in the past (not sure if it still does) but from time to time, stacking order seems to have been changed for saved games.  Something to be aware of.
> 
> - As mentioned above, you verbally communicate with the other player constantly.
> 
> - VASL is really nothing more than electronic cardboard.  If you look at it that way, many of the answers to these questions/issues become self-evident.
> 
> Jazz
> 
>> On 12/07/2013 07:39 PM, Matthew Evans wrote:
>> Great, thanks!
>> 
>> OK, I have two accounts setup so I can play myself live (for practice).  I put a few Russian and German troops and figured out how to "join" into a live game.
>> 
>> 1) Create a new game; User-Russian is now in that game room.
>> 2) User-German double clicks on User-Russian and is joined into that game room.  Sync'd up...cool.
>> 
>> Now it seems either guy can move either chits...is that correct?  I understand if that is the case, but for accident reasons, I wouldn't hoped one couldn't move the others' units (unless I'm doing something wrong).
>> 
>> Next, how does User-Russian indicate he wants to PrepFire?  Does he drop a PrepFire counter on his stack and then click the dice roll?  How does User-German handle the outcome?  Assuming we're playing live, does he watch the dice roll output and checking the IFT knows it is a MC so then does User-German just "know" to roll the dice to see if he breaks?
>> 
>> Another issue...once I drag two units into the same location, how do I get them apart?  I.e., how do I move them separately if I want to?
>> 
>> Do you chat with each other to say, "I'm done Prep Firing...I'm gonna move now?" etc., for each phase?
>> 
>> Thanks for the feedback...I'm getting there!
>> 
>> Matt
>> 
>> 
>>> On Dec 7, 2013, at 6:11 PM, Jackson Kwan <[email protected]> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hello Matt,
>>> 
>>> Congrats on your recently plunge into VASL and your AP9 order!
>>> 
>>> First of all, in the small chance that you haven't found these yet I find these to be excellent guides to VASL use -
>>> http://wargamecenter.wordpress.com/2010/05/10/vasl/
>>> http://home.comcast.net/~keith.todd/PBEMInstructions.pdf
>>> 
>>> While one can use VASL on one computer for solo play by just using it as a simple electronic set of maps and counters.  I find that doing the PBeM sequence with oneself allows for a better separation between your two "opposing" minds.
>>> 
>>> The best thing of course is to find someone to show you!
>>> 
>>> I hope this help.  Good luck!
>>> 
>>> Warm regards,
>>> Jackson Kwan
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> On 8 Dec, 2013, at 6:45 am, Marty Snow <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Matthew Evans
>>>> Sent: Saturday, December 07, 2013 2:56 PM
>>>> To: ASL Discussion List
>>>> Subject: [Aslml] How to get ASL VASL going?
>>>> 
>>>> OK, after years of thinking about it, I'm thinking of joining the VASL group!  =)   Ker-sploosh!
>>>> 
>>>> So I've done the following:
>>>> 1) Installed:
>>>>    a) Java
>>>>    b) VASSAL 3.2.8
>>>>    c) vasl-6.0.1.vmod
>>>> 2) Downloaded v5boards.zip into a folder "v5boards"
>>>> 3) Downloaded "overlays" folder and stuck that into the "v5boards" folder.
>>>> 4) Run VASSAL, open the vasl module, it does tiling and stuff...<whir>...<whir>....
>>>> 5) Select "Start new game offline", click NEXT
>>>> 6) Select board 1 and click FINISH
>>>> 7) I have the "VASL Controls" window with board 1 on the bottom.
>>>> 7) Uhhh...now what?
>>>> 
>>>> So, it looks like things are working.  I have two computers and was going to play myself just to learn the ropes, but I also read you can play yourself on the same machine.
>>>> 
>>>> Basically, I can't figure out what to do next.  I thought I found an ASL-specific tutorial years ago when I tried, but it has been years.  Google isn't finding anything that is helping too much.  The VASSAL User Manual is more for getting going and logging in.  I'm there.  I need to know how to setup an ASL scenario--both sides--and perhaps some sample clicks to prep fire and do a simple turn.
>>>> 
>>>> Is there any VASL-specific tutorial/replay online to assist?
>>>> 
>>>> Any assistance would be appreciated!  Heck, I might even get up and running by Christmas break and do some real VASL with someone!
>>>> 
>>>> Thanks a bunch!
>>>> 
>>>> Matt
>>>> 
>>>> Oh, and yes, I've already pre-ordered AP9!  Heh... =)
>>>> 
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