Re: Fwd: Polling procedure (was: Wanted: Alternate wording for Law 16Bb1(a))
Adam Wildavsky <[email protected]>
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I agree that polling should be individual. I learned from William Surowiecki's "The Wisdom of Crowds" that multiple opinions are most useful when they are formed independently. On Mon, Jul 18, 2016 at 9:44 AM, Richard Hills <[email protected]> wrote: > I disagree with the ACBL Polling Technique's implicit endorsement of > polling several people at the same time. A clarifying question by one > person polled could well bias the decision-making process of other persons > polled. > > The (now gravely ill) Chief Director of Australia on one occasion polled > only one player, because that player's reasoning was definitive. On another > occasion the CTD polled zero players, because the use-of-UI was egregious. > > The egregious infraction was this: Both sides had been competing in the > red suits. Over one side's 4H the other side bid 5D. The player in question > passed RHO's 5D, showing some willingness to defend. The player's partner > doubled 5D for penalty, confirming the decision to defend. Unfortunately > the penalty double was hesitant, demonstrably suggesting removing. Hence > the player removed to 5H. > > The complete deal was sufficiently freaky that both 5D and 5H were cold. > So the CTD had a clear cut decision to adjust the score to 5Dx +750. > > Best wishes, > > Richard Hills > > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: *Adam Wildavsky* <[email protected]> > Date: Monday, July 18, 2016 > Subject: Re: [BLML] Polling procedure (was: Wanted: Alternate wording for > Law 16Bb1(a)) > To: Bridge Laws Mailing List <[email protected]> > > > Thanks for the good wishes! > > As for the proposed polling procedure, I like it but I think it will > encounter difficulties in practice. The TD will not want to return to each > player he has polled for a second or third pass. He may not even be able to > find them. > > I also like the ACBL’s Polling Technique > <https://docs.google.com/document/d/1Pj4KenmNwUT6SETNbgQJBckQTVoT44a5FDkHg8Iri4g/edit?usp=sharing>. > Unfortunately, it’s not always followed. > > On Sun, Jul 17, 2016 at 3:57 PM, Nigel Guthrie <[email protected]> wrote: > >> I applaud Adam’s attempt to clarify laws. >> >> >> >> The passive tense, sophisticated wording (e.g. “demonstrably”), the >> subtle nuances implied by the WBF graded use of modal verbs (e.g.” should”, >> “must”, “may”, “may not”), and indeterminate fudging e.g. “could” combine >> to undermine clarification attempts. >> >> >> >> UI rulings on *simple basic cases with agreed facts * split discussion >> groups down the middle, however, so it’s obvious that drastic >> clarification is needed. >> >> >> >> I think rule-makers should *radically simplify* the rules of Bridge. >> .They should try to spell out what they mean in simple practical terms, >> that players can understand. >> >> >> >> Below is my suggestion to explain the UI decision process (FWIW – so far >> it has attracted ridicule) >> >> >> 1. The director asks pollees which options they consider. >> 2. The director collates suggested calls into a list. >> 3. He adds the call, actually chosen, if not already present, to the list. >> 4. The pollees rank the list of calls in order of preference. >> 5. Now the TD tells pollees about the UI. He asks them to pretend it‘s >> AI. He asks them to re-order the list in that light >> 6. The director judges the player guilty of using UI, if the player's >> chosen call ascends in the average rankings. >> 7. If this protocol is impractical, the director can still use it as the >> basis of a thought-experiment. >> >> >> >> An even simpler solution is to make Bridge a timed game (e.g. You must >> wait 5 seconds before taking an action and complete it within 10 seconds). >> >> >> >> Anyway, good luck with the your work. IMO, it’s urgently needed. >> >> >> >> Regards, Nigel >> [email protected] >> +447578626916 >> >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Blml mailing list >> [email protected] >> http://lists.rtflb.org/mailman/listinfo/blml >> >> > > > _______________________________________________ > Blml mailing list > [email protected] > http://lists.rtflb.org/mailman/listinfo/blml > > _______________________________________________ Blml mailing list [email protected] http://lists.rtflb.org/mailman/listinfo/blml