Re: Local regulation.

The day you manage to get various local organizations to follow the laws of
the game is the day that you can start to discuss global *regulations*...
As a practical example, as I understand matters Psyches are banned in a
number of countries in Europe (Austria and Italy come to mind).



On Tue, Jul 19, 2016 at 10:36 AM, Matthias Berghaus <[email protected]>
wrote:

> Am 19.07.2016 um 15:21 schrieb Nigel Guthrie:
> >
> > {Gordon Rainsford]
> >
> > Nigel starts from a point with which many of us could agree, that the
> > Bridge Laws would be better if they were simpler and clearer so that
> > they could be more uniformly applied. Unfortunately he goes from that
> > to believing that all regulations should be in the laws, which it
> > seems to me would make them longer and more complicated as well as
> > removing any allowance for geographical differences in procedure.
> >
> > Many NBOs already have advice about polling (the EBU’s ishere
> > <
> http://www.ebu.co.uk/documents/laws-and-ethics/articles/notes-on-polling-&-consulting.pdf
> >)
> > and it’s part of a TD’s training. Replacing that by putting Nigel’s
> > suggested protocol in the law book would not be an improvement.
> >
> > [Nigel]
> >
> > This topic merits a separate thread. Currently, you could argue that
> > local regulations are needed in a few areas like system-regulation.
> >
>
> You think knock-out teams have basically the same structure in England,
> Germany, and whatever country you would like to think of? Dream on....
> And what good would it do to have Iceland, where Bridge is played nearly
> exclusively in Rejkjavik, and Norway, where 2000 km might be the
> distance to cover, have the same regulation for local encounters? Not to
> mention the U.S. where 2000 might look like a bargain. Fat lot of good
> would it do for anybody. Of course I can see where Iceland and China are
> fundamentally the same... except for the differences....
>
> > IMO, for other purposes (e.g. bidding-boxes, polling), players would
> > benefit from a single set of rules.
> >
>
> The Australians are going to thank you profusely for your high-headed
> attempt to foist bidding-boxes on them. Why don`t you learn written
> bidding, instead?
>
> > In principle, such integrated rules would take **less** space.
> >
>
> Rofl
>
> > They would be easier for players to understand and to follow.
> >
>
> Oh sure, players would find it easy to follow bidding-box regulations,
> when they have never seen such a thing, and, more importantly, are not
> going to do so anytime soon. Do you think they would care to learn
> regulations that will have _no_ relevance to their way of playing
> Bridge? And no, the Australians are not alone. Why should they learn
> abbout bidding-box regulations? Because you use them? Well, so do I, but
> so what?
>
> > Directors would need only one book of rules. Ruke-makers would be able
> > to distil best practice from the current tower of Babel.
> >
>
> And what, pray, is the best practice to run an event in Monaco? India?
> Practically the same thing, isn`t it? Both are a couple of 1000 m
> across. OK, it`s _k_m in the case of India, and slighly more people, but
> what is factor of 1000 or so for standardization? The fact that England
> and Germany have 1 language each (let us forget about Yorkshire and
> Bavarian dialects for the purpose of this discussion, they are not in
> the regulations anyway), where India has...? 40? 50? Not dialects,
> _languages_. Even Belgium has 3, even if there is no club in the part
> where German is spoken. Switzerland has 3, 4 if you count in
> Rhaeto-Roman (which is probably as relevant to Bridge as German is in
> Belgium), and those 3 languages are spoken in different parts of the
> country. Sure, some are bi- or even trilingual, and others are not. Let
> us try the Belgian way. where English is the official language in the
> top division. I imagine that is not actually used all the time, people
> preferring to understand French or Flemish instead, but I might be
> wrong. Herman can surely tell us. On the other hand, it would be much
> more fair to let the whole learn some language from a country where
> Bridge is not played at all. That way no one would be at an advantage,
> right?
>
> > Admittedly, , in practice, when rule-makers  introduce simpler rules
> > that players and directors can understand, they **might not** save
> > space -- even after they expurgate unnecessary rules.  Well-organised,
> > well-structured, comprehensive rules,  using short active sentences,
> > and plain unambiguous words, without elegant variation,  might end up
> > being longer.
> >
> > IMO, it’s also possible to have uniform system/disclosure rules; but
> > that’s more controversial and a different argument.
> >
>
> Ah, OK, then we have one bloated rulebook, and _still_ another one for
> e.g. systems regulations. That is a big step forward, giving us _two_
> books where previously we had , err, two? If you can read German, or
> know someone who does, have a look at Austrian and German systems and
> alert regulations, which are radically different in some areas, even
> though we can actually talk to each other. I am going to Austria (I
> would like to go to Australia, too, but it is too far for my liking) to
> play in 3 weeks, and I am going to take the time to actually look them
> up and learn the differences, and explain them to my partner on the
> voyage. And tell you what: those differences are there for a purpose,
> and they actually make sense for the relevant countries, but not for the
> other, else they would be the same.
>
> >
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I think back to the halcyon dates of my youth, when indeterminate Hessians
had something to do with the Revolutionary War, where conjugate priors were
monks who had broken their vows, and the expression (X'X)^-1(X'Y) was greek

Those were simpler times

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