Re: Wanted: Alternate wording for Law 16Bb1(a)

I am still thinking that the ban of using UI should not be restricted to
"calls and plays".

See my old post below.

Greetings, Volker

Am 12.07.2016 um 23:38 schrieb Adam Wildavsky:
> I prefer positive pronouncements to negative ones in any prose, so we
> agree to that extent. How would you apply that principle here?
> 
> On Tue, Jul 12, 2016 at 1:48 PM, r pewick <[email protected]
> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
> 
>     -----Original Message-----
>     From: Adam Wildavsky
>     Sent: Tuesday, July 12, 2016 11:44 AM
>     To: Bridge Laws Mailing List
>     Subject: Re: [BLML] Wanted: Alternate wording for Law 16Bb1(a)
> 
> 
>     Here's what the WBF LC is now considering:
> 
> 
> 
>     Current:
> 
>     …, the partner may not choose from among logical alternatives one
>     that could
>     demonstrably have been suggested over another by the extraneous
>     information.
> 
>     Proposed:
> 
>     …, the partner may not choose a call or play that could demonstrably
>     have
>     been suggested over another by the extraneous information unless
>     there is no
>     logical alternative.
> 
> 
> 
>     Is it clearer? At least as clear? Any further changes to suggest?
> 
> 
>     On Tue, Feb 7, 2012 at 12:32 PM, Volker Walther <[email protected]
>     <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
> 
>     Am 04.02.2012 19:41, schrieb Robert Frick:
>     > On Fri, 03 Feb 2012 04:15:33 -0500, Adam Wildavsky
>     <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>>
>     > wrote:
>     >
>     >> Current wording:
>     >>
>     >> After a player makes available to his partner extraneous
>     information that
>     >> may suggest a call or play, as for example by a remark, a question, a
>     >> reply
>     >> to a question, an unexpected* alert or failure to alert, or by
>     >> unmistakable
>     >> hesitation, unwonted speed, special emphasis, tone, gesture,
>     movement, or
>     >> mannerism, the partner may not choose from among logical
>     alternatives one
>     >> that could demonstrably have been suggested over another by the
>     >> extraneous
>     >> information.
>     >>
>     >>
>     >> This is at best difficult to understand. I remember seeing a proposed
>     >> revision here on BLML, eight years ago or so, that would retain the
>     >> current
>     >> meaning while using clearer language. Can anyone supply a pointer, or
>     >> perhaps try a hand at your own rewrite? If I can find something that
>     >> improves on the current version I'll do my best to have it
>     incorporated
>     >> into the 2017 laws.
>     >
>     > If a player has extraneous information from partner, and if that
>     > extraneous information suggests an action, the player may not
>     select the
>     > suggested action if he has a logical alternative not suggested (or
>     less
>     > suggested) by the extraneous information.
>     >
> 
>     I like the switch from "call or play" to "action".
>     Recently I had the following case:
>     Against a 4S Contract, played by South, East LOOT the KH from Kx.
>     (West had preempted with 3H).
>     South had Qx, North Ax in Heart.
>     North said, he would like to accept the LOOT.
> 
>     We had a long discussion wether any limitations for south arose from
>     this remark. This would have been much easier with your wording.
> 
>     Greetings, Volker Walther
> 
> 
> 
> 
>     I am thinking that where a player must use judgment, it is
>     unsatisfactory to
>     command him what not to do; rather, it is important to tell him what
>     to do.
>     As Burn says, it is a bit difficult to prove a negative; and such
>     difficulty
>     is an undue strain upon the player.
> 
>     It is noticeable that an offense is judged by different specifications
>     depending upon the point of view.  This existence of non sequiturs
>     is not
>     good foundation for lawmaking.
> 
>     regards
>     roger pewick
> 
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