Re: Equity - some questions

Sven Pran wrote:
>> Herman De Wael
>> Yes, it is - a compensation for not being allowed to play this board.
>> Seen like that, a score of A- is actually a penalty of 20%.
>
> [Sven Pran]
> Interesting "invention" by you.
>
> Now please tell us how you consider A- or A+ given to an inferior pair for
> which the expected score would be 40% and to a superior pair for which the
> expected score would be 60%.
>
> No penalty with A- to the inferior pair, no bonus with A+ to the superior
> pair, 20% penalty with A- to the superior pair and 20% bonus to the inferior
> pair?
>
> To me this just doesn't make sense at all.
>
> And how does that correspond with the same penalty for the same offence when
> both pairs are at fault?
>
> I think we should stick to the definition that adjusted scores (whether
> artificial or assigned) are rectifications, not penalties.
>

And what has a definition got to do with a player complainig that he's 
been penalized more than his opponent who made exactly the same mistake?
"that's not a penalty, that's a rectification" you'll say.
"Well, I still have less points than him" will be his answer.
Over to you.
No you might feel that this is equitable, which is your right. BUt don't 
defend against those with a different view by using definitions.
Pair B got less points than pair A. Call it a rectification rather than 
a penalty, they still have less points.
Understand my point, Sven?

Herman.

>>
>> Sven Pran wrote:
>>> An adjusted score is of course a sanction, but it shall never be used
>>> as a penalty.
>>>
>>> When  you say that A- is a penalty (like 10% of a top) then what do
>>> you say that A+ is - a bonus?
>>>
>>>> Herman De Wael
>>>> Of course A- is a sanction. The expected value of a board is 50%, so
>>>> if
>>> you get
>>>> 40%, that is a sanction.
>>>> I agree wholeheartedly with those here ho argue that the two pairs
>>>> are not treated equally, and saying that they get the same penalty is
>>>> just
>>> covering up
>>>> tactics.
>>>> I would, in this case, either give 50% to the second pair and a
>>>> penalty to
>>> both
>>>> sides, or give a penalty only to one pair so as not to have to
>>>> explain to
>>> the totally
>>>> innocent third pair why their opponents get 50% hen clearly at fault.
>>>> Herman.
>>>>
>>>> Martin Sinot wrote:
>>>>> I don't agree. The pair now getting A- is not penalized, bur
> rectified.
>>>>> After all, they can no longer obtain a score on the deal, so the TD
>>>>> must give them one, and since it is their own fault, it will be A-.
>>>>> That is a matter of rectification. The other pair already had a
>>>>> legal score, so they keep it. In addition both pairs can be given a
>>>>> PP, which normally will be equal for both pairs (unless of course
>>>>> the TD finds one pair more at fault than the other, but that seems
>>>>> unlikely here). So yes, both pairs are equally sanctioned (because
>>>>> the A- is not
>>> a
>>>> sanction).
>>>>>
>>>>> regards
>>>>>
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