Re: Equity - some questions

Am 01.08.2016 um 16:49 schrieb Herman De Wael:
> Sven Pran wrote:
>>> Herman De Wael
>>> Yes, it is - a compensation for not being allowed to play this board.
>>> Seen like that, a score of A- is actually a penalty of 20%.
>> [Sven Pran]
>> Interesting "invention" by you.
>>
>> Now please tell us how you consider A- or A+ given to an inferior pair for
>> which the expected score would be 40% and to a superior pair for which the
>> expected score would be 60%.
>>
>> No penalty with A- to the inferior pair, no bonus with A+ to the superior
>> pair, 20% penalty with A- to the superior pair and 20% bonus to the inferior
>> pair?
>>
>> To me this just doesn't make sense at all.
>>
>> And how does that correspond with the same penalty for the same offence when
>> both pairs are at fault?
>>
>> I think we should stick to the definition that adjusted scores (whether
>> artificial or assigned) are rectifications, not penalties.
>>
> And what has a definition got to do with a player complainig that he's
> been penalized more than his opponent who made exactly the same mistake?
> "that's not a penalty, that's a rectification" you'll say.
> "Well, I still have less points than him" will be his answer.
> Over to you.

So he feels penalized. Tough. What do I care? Should I pay for a 
psychotherapy session? Ever seen a sports interview? There is this guy 
who nearly cost his opp the use of a leg or two and got sent off. Guess 
what? He feels penalized. That is the idea, sending someone off is meant 
to be a penalty. But he feels treated unjustly. He had a tough 
childhood, the opp is still in one piece (ok, barely maybe, but is it 
his fault?), the other team was much more brutal and so on and so forth. 
There are certain hand gestures I usually employ when I hear such 
bullshit, but it does not really work in an email. Millions of German 
cardrivers feel treated unjustly, positively ripped off, by radar guns 
and other speed traps. Ever seen a gunman threating them with a Colt 45 
and forcing them to ignore speed limits? No? Well, neither have I. But 
they whine and moan no end. Again: what do I care? Depending on 
situation one gets A- or A+ vs. Meckwell or vs. Mister 25%onagoodday. I 
don`t know about you, but I would not feel penalized by a 40% round vs 
Meckwell, while A+ vs the worst players in the club may feel different.. 
So what? Shit happens. Get a life...

> No you might feel that this is equitable, which is your right. BUt don't
> defend against those with a different view by using definitions.

Herman, everything needs definitions. And the people in the driver`s 
seat, the people who make the rules, have defined what a penalty is and 
what is not, and they do not care about hurt feelings either. In the 
Bridge universe there are rectifiactions, and there are penalties, and 
they are different animals, and what anybody thinks about that isn`t 
worth the sheet of paper we would cover with scribbles here if we didn`t 
use email. I asked Robert, and I ask you: ever played Diplomacy or 
Junta? Ever tried to complain to someone that your opp didn`t honour 
your agreements in Diplomacy? Now _that_ is something I would like to 
see.... You may be familiar (at least in theory) with Skat. For those 
who aren`t: it is a card game, less complex than Bridge. Very popular in 
Germany. Mow Skat players think bridgers are the most soft and pampered 
lot on Earth. If you revoke in Skat, you _lost_ . Period. No tricks 
transferred, no 64C, nothing. You lost. Hand over the money. I have not 
seen a Skat player complain about that. It is the way the game is 
played. And in Bridge, when you are unable to play certain boards you 
are going to receive a fixed artifical score. That is the the way the 
game is played. And I don`t give a d... if someone does not understand 
or accept that. I prefer the first case, because I can try to explain. 
The second case usually is hopeless. The want the victim role, and they 
are going to assume it no matter what. Fine. Good riddance. Just don`t 
hope for sympathy...

> Pair B got less points than pair A. Call it a rectification rather than
> a penalty, they still have less points.
> Understand my point, Sven?

I suspect he understands what you try to say, but disagrees violently, 
as do I, by the way.

>
> Herman.
>

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