Re: Claim

Robert Frick wrote:
> If a player has left a trump and winner(s), if the trump is the ace
> he should play it, and if it is the two he should not. That assumes
> the player thinks through the position, when in fact we are supposed
> to consider lines of play that are careless.
>
> Anyway, that leaves 3 through King as ambiguous. To allow the player
> to calculate which trump is likely to be out, even though the player
> does not think a trump is out. That's allowing very careful,
> thoughtful play.
>

Which is precisely what we don't want!
A player who "knows" that all trumps are out does not pull one. Ever. 
Regardless of its size.
That is a much more simple rule and it caters for all possibilities.
And players won't criticize you for it.

I'm not saying it's right, I'm saying it's easy. It's ludicrous to be 
ruling claims on the basis of "claimer coould pull any card out of his 
hat" That's not what the laws say, and it's not what players accept. 
They will accept any logical card, in any order, but not things they 
would "never" do.

And making simple rules as to what constitutes normal play is not that 
difficult. Only problem is, you've already done it, and you now believe 
that you've done it correctly. I propose alternative simple rules, 
which, I believe, are closer to what the laws mean and closer to what 
players will accept.

My simple rule for playing the end of a contract with cards that are all 
high is:
"normal play is to play long suits first, high cards after, and trumps 
last." With all suits played top-down.

OK?

Herman.

>
> On Fri, 02 Dec 2016 17:35:09 -0500, Herman De Wael
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> Please also note that this is not the type of argument that helps
>> us. Because the day before yesterday, a player revoked to me ...
>>
>> Volker Walther wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> Am 02.12.2016 um 10:33 schrieb Herman De Wael:
>>>> .... I really believe that playing trumps when one "knows"
>>>> they've all gone is not normal.
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Yesterday, a player at the local club  put his second last trump
>>> on the table, saying "I know trumps are all out, but  to  be
>>> sure..."
>>>
>>>
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