Re: Claim

I agree with the last sentence but fear that we are in the minority.  JE

Am 03.12.2016 um 18:31 schrieb Robert Frick:
> On Sat, 03 Dec 2016 02:32:08 -0500, Herman De Wael <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> Robert Frick wrote:
>>> If a player has left a trump and winner(s), if the trump is the ace
>>> he should play it, and if it is the two he should not. That assumes
>>> the player thinks through the position, when in fact we are supposed
>>> to consider lines of play that are careless.
>>>
>>> Anyway, that leaves 3 through King as ambiguous. To allow the player
>>> to calculate which trump is likely to be out, even though the player
>>> does not think a trump is out. That's allowing very careful,
>>> thoughtful play.
>>>
>> Which is precisely what we don't want!
>> A player who "knows" that all trumps are out does not pull one. Ever.
>> Regardless of its size.
>> That is a much more simple rule and it caters for all possibilities.
>> And players won't criticize you for it.
>>
>> I'm not saying it's right, I'm saying it's easy. It's ludicrous to be
>> ruling claims on the basis of "claimer coould pull any card out of his
>> hat" That's not what the laws say, and it's not what players accept.
>> They will accept any logical card, in any order, but not things they
>> would "never" do.
>>
>> And making simple rules as to what constitutes normal play is not that
>> difficult. Only problem is, you've already done it, and you now believe
>> that you've done it correctly. I propose alternative simple rules,
>> which, I believe, are closer to what the laws mean and closer to what
>> players will accept.
>>
>> My simple rule for playing the end of a contract with cards that are all
>> high is:
>> "normal play is to play long suits first, high cards after, and trumps
>> last." With all suits played top-down.
>>
>> OK?
> Halfway.
>
> Trying to think back, my impression is that when drawing trumps would have been the correct play, players will often say they were going to draw trumps, but when I say they can't, as angry as they might be, it makes sense to everyone.
>
> When withholding a losing trump is the correct play, I can find a way they would lose control of the hand with careless play and lose more tricks than just the high trump. But then I am often finding a line of play that seems odd and the defenders are often not even seeing.
>
> So that's a reasonable change in the revoke procedures. I like it. Nice.
>
> But it's more important to me to be consistent and right, so I will stick with following the rules for now. To me, if they think every card in their hand is high, they do not care which card they play first.
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