Re: subject now becoming clearer
Richard Hills <[email protected]> Mon, 30 Oct 2017 10:51:47 +1100
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Herman De Wael reveals key issue: [snip] > Now, the TD polled six players, like I did you, and received six answers > of a spade lead even after the misinformation. > I am not criticising this, different polls do lead to different results. > > Based on this poll the TD of the hand ruled serious error [snip] Richard Hills: In my opinion the TD made a serious error interpreting Law 12. It is insufficient to deny the non-offending side redress merely because of their serious error. What Law 12 requires is that the serious error be unrelated to the infraction. Obviously in this case the serious error was influenced by the infraction, hence the TD's poll was completely unnecessary and irrelevant. Best wishes, Richard Hills Sent from my iPad > On 30 Oct 2017, at 6:44 AM, Herman De Wael <[email protected]> wrote: > > I posted this week: > > They are vulnerable, you're in second seat, after the bidding: > > decl you dummy part > 2Cl Pass 2Sp Pass 2Cl=strong 2Sp=relay > 3He Pass 3Sp Pass natural > 3NT All Pass > > And you have to lead from: > > Sp K Q 9 7 5 2 > He Q J 10 8 > Di 9 > Cl 6 3 > > Your lead? > > There have been many different leads (I believe all four suits have been > suggested) > > Now I'll tell you what happened: > > 3Sp was intended, by Dummy, as a second relay. He has only two spades. > Offending side told the TD that this was a misbid, and it should have > been natural - so East was not misinformed. > However, the TD ruled that this was not proven and he ruled misinformation. > But that's not the end of the ruling. > > It is clear that without the mention of natural spades in dummy, a spade > lead is mandatory. In that case, the contract goes two down. That is > what the TD ruled for the offending side. > > At the table, the lead was a club and declarer made 11 tricks. > > Now, the TD polled six players, like I did you, and received six answers > of a spade lead even after the misinformation. > I am not criticising this, different polls do lead to different results. > > Based on this poll the TD of the hand ruled serious error and left the > score of -660 for the non offending side (leaving the final result of > the match at 18-9 on the ancient scale). > > My question is the following: > Is it enough for a poll to be unanimous in order to rule that the club > lead was a serious error as indicated by the new laws? > > Herman. > > Herman. > _______________________________________________ > Blml mailing list > [email protected] > http://lists.rtflb.org/mailman/listinfo/blml > > --- > This email has been checked for viruses by AVG. > http://www.avg.com > > > _______________________________________________ > Blml mailing list > [email protected] > http://lists.rtflb.org/mailman/listinfo/blml _______________________________________________ Blml mailing list [email protected] http://lists.rtflb.org/mailman/listinfo/blml