Re: Lost
David Grabiner <[email protected]> Sun, 21 Jan 2018 11:37:00 -0500
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I have called the director occasionally when there was a failure to hesitate over the Stop card in a time-sensitive auction (not 1N-3N, when nobody hesitates). At most, the director has warned the opponents, and I have never seen an adjusted score. One example: 1S-(X)-4S-(P); P-(P) The 4S bidder used the Stop card, and the pass over 4S was fast.. I was opener, and called the director, who warned the opponents. 4S was beatable but made at the table. The doubler had extra values and his partner had a weak balanced hand. I believe a second double was a LA, and if the director agreed, he should have adjusted -420 to -590, but didn't. On Sun, Jan 21, 2018 at 7:22 AM, Volker Walther <[email protected]> wrote: > Just a little off-topic question: Was it common practice in ACBL-land to > impose a procedural penalty or an adjusted score when a player did not > wait the proper time after the stop card had been used? Calling during > the forced pause is a common fault in German clubs, and it is seldom > sanctioned. > > When doing so the same problem arises: If West this time is thinking > until the stop-card is removed, but usually ignoring it and bidding too > early, East has the same UI. I think to get rid of the problem you have > to penalize players each and every time they are calling to early. > > But most players are only aware of UI problems, if some positive > information is given, not when it is denied by a BOOT. So they will > hardly accept these penalties. > > Lost, too > > Volker > > > > > Am 21.01.2018 um 03:19 schrieb Robert Frick: > > I had what would have been, last year, an easy ruling. In the auction, > East responded 3C, South bid 4H, and West hesitated, giving unauthorized > information to her partner. > > > > West was supposed to hesitate (in ACBLland) after a jump bid. So there > was no infraction. > > > > Except West didn't know that -- her hesitation was real, she had > something to think about; if she hadn't had anything to think about, she > would have passed quickly. Her partner also didn't realize, so east > correctly read her partner's hesitation as showing something to think about > it. > > > > So it's a little strange to rule no infraction (she appropriately > hesitated) when there was flawless communication of UI. > > > > The ruling was manageable last year. North puts down a stop card, and > everyone's on the right page. If North doesn't put down the stop card, > that's the original infraction and I'm comfortable not ruling against EW. > > > > But there are no stop cards anymore. The ACBL eliminated them. So, EW > managed to communicate information with flawless adherence to proper > procedure. (So it's not EI according to the rules. Right? Can we call it UI > when partner unexpectedly bids in proper tempo? I have ruled that way > before, maybe that's the solution here.) > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Blml mailing list > > [email protected] > > http://lists.rtflb.org/mailman/listinfo/blml > > > > > -- > Volker Walther > _______________________________________________ > Blml mailing list > [email protected] > http://lists.rtflb.org/mailman/listinfo/blml > _______________________________________________ Blml mailing list [email protected] http://lists.rtflb.org/mailman/listinfo/blml