Re: Is an agreement an agreement?

"Jan Peach" <[email protected]> Sun, 15 Apr 2018 11:38:32 +1000
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-----Original Message----- 
From: Mike Amos
Sent: Saturday, April 14, 2018 11:03 AM
To: 'Bridge Laws Mailing List'
Subject: Re: [BLML] Is an agreement an agreement?

It can't possibly be correct to tell your opponents that your agreement is
that 2D is a Weak Two unless it is your agreement.  Your player doesn't know
if the partner read the card or knows the agreement.  He should tell the
opponents what he knows.  "We agreed to play what's on my card which says
that 2D is weak.  My partner arrived late and we had no time to discuss. I
don't know if he read the card.   I don't know what he thinks.  Please call
the TD who may be able t(So help you"

You the TD can send the floundering partner away from the table and explain
to the opponents that they are allowed to ask the 2D opener if they believe
the partnership does have an agreement.  They can't ask what he holds, and
if the partnership does not have an agreement, that is what they should be
told.
..................................................................

Jan:
Where is the authority for the director to do this?

WBFLC Lille 1998;
If a player knows that his partner’s call is conventional but says he cannot 
recall
what was actually agreed the Director may in his discretion send the player 
away
from the table and allow the partner to tell opponents in his absence what 
the
agreement is. The Director must be called and no action may be taken before 
he
arrives.
The partner continues in the action on the basis that the player has 
understood his
call, and does not use the unauthorized information that his partner is 
uncertain of
the meaning.
The Director is strongly urged to remain at the table whilst the hand is 
completed.
This procedure is only for the exact circumstances described; it does not 
apply
when the player says that the position is undiscussed or there is no 
agreement.


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You don't tell us the hands or the outcome, but it seems to me that a player
who tells his opponents that his partner's bid shows  a Weak Two in Diamonds
and then proceeds to act on the basis that it might be Flannery (apologies
for the F-word) is unlikely to be in a strong position if the opponents
claim to have been damaged by MI.

To be honest I think this is a simple situation which should be well handled
by a Club Director.

Mike

-----Original Message-----
From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of Robert
Frick
Sent: 13 April 2018 20:07
To: Bridge Laws Mailing List <[email protected]>
Subject: [BLML] Is an agreement an agreement?


Your partner opens 2 Diamonds, RHO asks, and you explain it as a weak two.
RHO bids 2NT and it is your call. You hold

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You are playing with your partner for the first time. He came late, so there
was no time to talk about hardly anything. You gave him your card, which
said 2 Diamonds is weak. It's not clear how much time he had to look at the
card, but it wasn't much, and it's not clear what he read. Or remembered.
It's probably more common here to play 2D as Flannery, 4-5 in the majors
with an opening hand.

So, first question, what do you bid?

The player decided to pass. I think that's a reasonable bid, given the high
probability that partner might have the Flannery hand.

And, second question, did she fulfill her legal obligations to explain
partner's bid? If not, what should she have said?
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