Re: lack of explanation of convention
Herman De Wael <[email protected]> Wed, 3 Oct 2018 02:18:54 +0200 (CEST)
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--===============1854386084== Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_176616_1287971617.1538525934908" ------=_Part_176616_1287971617.1538525934908 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable The problem is already in your own phrasing: "could be unexpected". Surely = Stayman is not unexpected and the pair at the table decided that the fact t= hat there is more than one version was also not unexpected. So they did not= alert. The Director apparently agreed with that non-alert. And no, this does not mean that one always has to ask for details for every= convention - but one should have done so if your defence is going to matte= r. Not asking for details and then going for one version, and then saying y= ou did not know there were other versions, is a typical double shot. The di= rector is not there to allow you to finesse twice, once in either direction= . Herman. > Op 3 oktober 2018 om 0:16 schreef Jean-Pierre Rocafort <jp.rocafort@wanad= oo.fr>: >=20 > Le 02/10/2018 =C3=A0 19:41, BridgeinIndia a =C3=A9crit : >=20 > > > During WBS Rosenblum, in Rd of 64, Stayman was bid bu= t opp did not know that was a variant of usual. Defense could have been dif= ferent if known. Ruling was that at this level, one is expected to know the= re are variations of Conventions.=20 > >=20 > > So hereafter every one has to ask details for every convention = bid. It would be time consuming. It also may give unauthorised information = to parner. There is no time to look at CC . I think some pairs may think o= f more new variations causing possible mistaken play by opp. To avoid inju= stice there must be some regulation for these conventions. > >=20 > > > There is some regulation, it's called alert. When a call has a me= aning that could be unexpected by opponents, you alert; opponents enquire o= r look at CC, you explain. where is the problem? > jpr >=20 > > >=20 > > With Regards=20 > > Dr Raghavan.P.S.=20 > > [email protected] mailto:[email protected] =20 > > http://Bridgeinworld.com https://rb.tc/3R34Z#http://Bridgeinwor= ld.com =20 > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > > _______________________________________________ > > Blml mailing list > > [email protected] mailto:[email protected] > > http://lists.rtflb.org/mailman/listinfo/blml > >=20 > > >=20 >=20 > --=20 > ---------------------------- > Jean-Pierre Rocafort > 4 bis impasse Trey-Dousteau > 31100 Toulouse France > ---------------------------- >=20 =20 > _______________________________________________ > Blml mailing list > [email protected] > http://lists.rtflb.org/mailman/listinfo/blml >=20 =20 ------=_Part_176616_1287971617.1538525934908 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit <!DOCTYPE html> <html><head> <meta charset="UTF-8"> </head><body>The problem is already in your own phrasing: "could be unexpected". Surely Stayman is not unexpected and the pair at the table decided that the fact that there is more than one version was also not unexpected. So they did not alert. The Director apparently agreed with that non-alert.<br>And no, this does not mean that one always has to ask for details for every convention - but one should have done so if your defence is going to matter. Not asking for details and then going for one version, and then saying you did not know there were other versions, is a typical double shot. The director is not there to allow you to finesse twice, once in either direction.<br>Herman.<br> <br> <blockquote type="cite"> Op 3 oktober 2018 om 0:16 schreef Jean-Pierre Rocafort <[email protected]>: <br> <br> <div class="moz-cite-prefix"> Le 02/10/2018 à 19:41, BridgeinIndia a écrit : <br> </div> <blockquote type="cite"> <div dir="ltr"> <div class="gmail_default" style="font-family: tahoma,sans-serif;"> <span style="font-family: proxima-nova,arial,clean,sans-serif; font-size: 14px;">During WBS Rosenblum, in Rd of 64, Stayman was bid but opp did not know that was a variant of usual. Defense could have been different if known. Ruling was that at this level, one is expected to know there are variations of Conventions. </span> </div> <div class="gmail_default" style="font-family: tahoma,sans-serif;"> <span style="font-family: proxima-nova,arial,clean,sans-serif; font-size: 14px;"><br> </span> </div> <div class="gmail_default" style="font-family: tahoma,sans-serif;"> <span style="font-family: proxima-nova,arial,clean,sans-serif; font-size: 14px;">So hereafter every one has to ask details for every convention bid. It would be time consuming. It also may give unauthorised information to parner. There is no time to look at CC .  I think some pairs may think of more new variations causing possible mistaken play by opp.  To avoid injustice there must be some regulation for these conventions. </span> <br clear="all"> </div> </div> </blockquote> There is some regulation, it's called alert. When a call has a meaning that could be unexpected by opponents, you alert; opponents enquire or look at CC, you explain. where is the problem? <br> jpr <br> <blockquote type="cite"> <div dir="ltr"> <div class="gmail_default" style="font-family: tahoma,sans-serif;"> <br> </div> <div> <div dir="ltr" class="gmail_signature"> <div dir="ltr"> <div> <div dir="ltr"> <div> <div dir="ltr"> <div> <div dir="ltr"> <div> <div dir="ltr"> <div> <div dir="ltr"> <div dir="ltr"> <div dir="ltr"> <div dir="ltr"> <b>With Regards <br> Dr Raghavan.P.S. </b> </div> <div dir="ltr"> <b><span style="color: rgb(0,0,0); font-size: 12.8px;"><a href="mailto:[email protected]" target="_blank">[email protected]</a></span><span style="font-size: 12.8px;">  </span></b> </div> <div dir="ltr"> <b><a href="https://rb.tc/3R34Z#http://Bridgeinworld.com" target="_blank">http://Bridgeinworld.com</a>  <br> </b> </div> <div dir="ltr"> <b><br> </b> <br> </div> </div> </div> </div> </div> </div> </div> </div> </div> </div> </div> </div> </div> </div> </div> </div> <img alt="" src="https://rb.tc/open/12601/13187/6254479" height="1" width="1" border="0" style="width: 1px; height: 1px;"> </div> <br> <br> <pre>_______________________________________________ Blml mailing list <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:[email protected]">[email protected]</a> <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://lists.rtflb.org/mailman/listinfo/blml">http://lists.rtflb.org/mailman/listinfo/blml</a> </pre> </blockquote> <br> <br> <pre class="moz-signature">-- ---------------------------- Jean-Pierre Rocafort 4 bis impasse Trey-Dousteau 31100 Toulouse France ----------------------------</pre> </blockquote> <br>  <blockquote type="cite"> _______________________________________________ <br>Blml mailing list <br>[email protected] <br>http://lists.rtflb.org/mailman/listinfo/blml <br> </blockquote> <br>  </body></html> ------=_Part_176616_1287971617.1538525934908-- --===============1854386084== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Blml mailing list [email protected] http://lists.rtflb.org/mailman/listinfo/blml --===============1854386084==--