Re: Washington Appeal N9
Adam Wildavsky <[email protected]> Fri, 19 Oct 2018 12:20:48 -0400
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--===============0459237359== Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="000000000000f517250578974902" --000000000000f517250578974902 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Two of the six panelists agree with you that Law 12c1(e)(ii) should apply: "The non-offending side does not receive relief for such part of its damage as is self- inflicted." The others seem not to have considered the issue, just as the TD and "Panel" (of one) seem not to have considered it. On Thu, Oct 18, 2018 at 11:30 PM Jeff Ford <[email protected]> wrote: > Appeal is part of http://web2.acbl.org/casebooks/2016Washington.pdf > > The gist of the hand is that E/W made a bid (4S) that was ruled illegal > because of UI, and that N/S doubled the final contract. Some of the > commentators suggested that the double was wild or gambling so N/S should > keep their result on the hand of 4SX making exactly. > > Is this the correct application of law? I thought that when adjudicating a > case like this that the gambling side was supposed to keep the part of > their result that came from the gamble, but not the entirety of the bad > result including the infraction of the other side. > > As this case was from a BAM hand, this would involve looking at the > difference between comparing with the other table at +620 and at +990 where > it's possible the double actually had no effect. > > Jeff > > _______________________________________________ > Blml mailing list > [email protected] > http://lists.rtflb.org/mailman/listinfo/blml > --000000000000f517250578974902 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <div dir=3D"ltr">Two of the six=C2=A0panelists agree with you that Law 12c1= (e)(ii) should apply: "The non-offending side does not receive relief = for such part of its damage as is self- inflicted." <br><br>The others= seem not to have considered the issue, just as the TD and "Panel"= ; (of one) seem not to have considered it.</div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quo= te"><div dir=3D"ltr">On Thu, Oct 18, 2018 at 11:30 PM Jeff Ford <<a href= =3D"mailto:[email protected]">[email protected]</a>> wrote:<br></div><= blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px= #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"ltr">Appeal is part of=C2=A0<a hr= ef=3D"http://web2.acbl.org/casebooks/2016Washington.pdf" target=3D"_blank">= http://web2.acbl.org/casebooks/2016Washington.pdf</a><div><br></div><div>Th= e gist of the hand is that E/W made a bid (4S) that was ruled illegal becau= se of UI, and that N/S doubled the final contract. Some of the commentators= suggested that the double was wild or gambling so N/S should keep their re= sult on the hand of 4SX making exactly.</div><div><br></div><div>Is this th= e correct application of law? I thought that when adjudicating a case like = this that the gambling side was supposed to keep the part of their result t= hat came from the gamble, but not the entirety of the bad result including = the infraction of the other side.</div><div><br></div><div>As this case was= from a BAM hand, this would involve looking at the difference between comp= aring with the other table at=C2=A0+620 and at=C2=A0+990 where it's pos= sible the double actually had no effect.</div><div><br></div><div>Jeff</div= ><div><br></div></div> _______________________________________________<br> Blml mailing list<br> <a href=3D"mailto:[email protected]" target=3D"_blank">[email protected]</a><br> <a href=3D"http://lists.rtflb.org/mailman/listinfo/blml" rel=3D"noreferrer"= target=3D"_blank">http://lists.rtflb.org/mailman/listinfo/blml</a><br> </blockquote></div> --000000000000f517250578974902-- --===============0459237359== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Blml mailing list [email protected] http://lists.rtflb.org/mailman/listinfo/blml --===============0459237359==--