Re: Can a legal non-alert be misinformation anyway?

Richard Hills <[email protected]> Thu, 8 Nov 2018 15:16:54 +1100
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Herman De Wael wrote:

> This happened yesterday:
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> I have a massive diamond suit and I open 4Di.
> In Belgium, all bids past 3NT must not be alerted, and of course my=20
> partner does not do so.


[snip]

Richard Hills:

Australia used to have the same regulation. However, our powers-that-be noti=
ced that the non-opening side were disadvantaged by the so-called =E2=80=9Cs=
elf-alerting=E2=80=9D nature of the Namyats convention.

Hence the ABF modified our self-alerting reg to specify that all conventiona=
l opening bids - whether or not past 3NT - must be alerted.

So if Herman and his partner had been teleported by a TARDIS to an Aussie br=
idge tournament, then the partner would have mistakenly alerted Herman=E2=80=
=99s 4D opening bid, thus giving UI to Herman and MI to the opponents.

Best wishes,

Richard Hills

Sent from my iPad

> On 7 Nov 2018, at 5:38 pm, Herman De Wael <[email protected]> wrote:
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> This happened yesterday:
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> I have a massive diamond suit and I open 4Di.
> In Belgium, all bids past 3NT must not be alerted, and of course my=20
> partner does not do so.
> LHO passes, and my partner bids 4Sp.
> I do not need any UI (I don't have any either), to know that he thinks=20
> 4Di was a transfer to spades.
> We don't play that, but that does not matter.
> Of course I don't alert, and when I next bid 5Di, he understands and=20
> passes. We make that contract.
> However, the opponents can make 6Sp.
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> Fourth seat has so many spades that it should have been clear to him=20
> that 4Di was not a transfer to a solid spade suit. But that's beside the=20=

> point. (Suppose he has solid hearts instead)
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> When a non-alertable call is followed by another non-alertable call=20
> which seems to describe the first call completely, is this=20
> misinformation? If fourth seat had asked, he would have received the=20
> correct (mis-)explanation, but if he just assumes, isn't that the same=20
> thing? Do we really want people to ask obvious questions?
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> Herman.
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utf-8"></head><body dir=3D"auto">Herman De Wael wrote:<div><br></div><div><b=
lockquote type=3D"cite"><div dir=3D"ltr"><font color=3D"#000000"><span style=
=3D"caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);">Th=
is happened yesterday:<br><br>I have a massive diamond suit and I open 4Di.<=
br>In Belgium, all bids past 3NT must not be alerted, and of course my&nbsp;=
<br>partner does not do so.</span></font></div></blockquote></div><div><br><=
/div><div>[snip]</div><div><br></div><div>Richard Hills:</div><div><br></div=
><div>Australia used to have the same regulation. However, our powers-that-b=
e noticed that the non-opening side were disadvantaged by the so-called =E2=80=
=9Cself-alerting=E2=80=9D nature of the Namyats convention.</div><div><br></=
div><div>Hence the ABF modified our self-alerting reg to specify that all co=
nventional opening bids - whether or not past 3NT - must be alerted.</div><d=
iv><br></div><div>So if Herman and his partner had been teleported by a TARD=
IS to an Aussie bridge tournament, then the partner would have mistakenly al=
erted Herman=E2=80=99s 4D opening bid, thus giving UI to Herman and MI to th=
e opponents.</div><div><br></div><div>Best wishes,</div><div><br></div><div>=
Richard Hills<br><br><div id=3D"AppleMailSignature" dir=3D"ltr">Sent from my=
 iPad</div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br>On 7 Nov 2018, at 5:38 pm, Herman De Wael &l=
t;<a href=3D"mailto:[email protected]">[email protected]</a>&gt; wrote:<br=
><br></div><blockquote type=3D"cite"><div dir=3D"ltr"><span>This happened ye=
sterday:</span><br><span></span><br><span>I have a massive diamond suit and I=
 open 4Di.</span><br><span>In Belgium, all bids past 3NT must not be alerted=
, and of course my </span><br><span>partner does not do so.</span><br><span>=
LHO passes, and my partner bids 4Sp.</span><br><span>I do not need any UI (I=
 don't have any either), to know that he thinks </span><br><span>4Di was a t=
ransfer to spades.</span><br><span>We don't play that, but that does not mat=
ter.</span><br><span>Of course I don't alert, and when I next bid 5Di, he un=
derstands and </span><br><span>passes. We make that contract.</span><br><spa=
n>However, the opponents can make 6Sp.</span><br><span></span><br><span>Four=
th seat has so many spades that it should have been clear to him </span><br>=
<span>that 4Di was not a transfer to a solid spade suit. But that's beside t=
he </span><br><span>point. (Suppose he has solid hearts instead)</span><br><=
span></span><br><span>When a non-alertable call is followed by another non-a=
lertable call </span><br><span>which seems to describe the first call comple=
tely, is this </span><br><span>misinformation? If fourth seat had asked, he w=
ould have received the </span><br><span>correct (mis-)explanation, but if he=
 just assumes, isn't that the same </span><br><span>thing? Do we really want=
 people to ask obvious questions?</span><br><span></span><br><span>Herman.</=
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