Re: My thoughts on C# and gaming.

On Thu, Jan 28, 2010 at 3:00 PM, Emil Dotchevski
<[email protected]> wrote:
> On Thu, Jan 28, 2010 at 10:56 AM, Brandon Van Every <[email protected]> wrote:
>> On Thu, Jan 28, 2010 at 1:54 PM, Richard <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>
>>> In article <[email protected]>,
>>>    Emil Dotchevski <[email protected]>  writes:
>>>
>>>> C# is just a better Java, [...]
>>>
>>> Well, I definately disagree with that.  Having been programming on
>>> Windows for a decade, I see .NET as COM 2.0.  If you look carefully at
>>> all the things in the .NET runtime, you can trace their development
>>> back to COM.
>>
>> Why is that a disagreement?  C# is a language standard.
>
> Richard has a point, C# and .NET are inseparable.

That is false.  C# does not require .NET.  There are parts of the C#
standard library that are under ECMA / ISO and are not subject to any
license fiddling by Microsoft.  Boring things like some kind of
array-whatnot.  I forget as it's been several years since I chased
that down, but the point is, all the basic features you'd expect in a
language are covered by a public standard.

> The reason why C#
> exists is to push Microsoft corporate interests by locking vendors'
> code in the .NET prison.

No argument there.  Using a cross-platform .NET implementation is,
however, a choice.  Not a requirement.  It's tantamount to claiming
that if I use C++ on Windows, I have to use MFC or ATL.  Now of course
the problem is, if the only real selling point of C# is its ability to
run .NET, then yes, almost everyone who uses C# is going to choose
.NET.  And those who resist Microsoft generally, like the Free
Software crowd, won't see much point in C# as a pure language, when
they have other options that better match their politics.  So C#
doesn't evolve in any interesting direction apart from .NET.

It may not have to.  Maybe F# is the interesting evolution.

> C# and
> Java are not programming languages, they are proprietary platforms. Of
> the two, I think, C# is the better one, that's what I meant.

Once upon a time the same was said of Unix and C.  Tons of language
researchers have been paid by either Microsoft or Sun to fiddle with
their virtual machines.  Maybe nobody has a financial incentive to
commercialize something else.  This doesn't change the fact that both
Java and C# can be used apart from the vendor libraries typically
associated with them.


Cheers,
Brandon Van Every
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