Followup on GM Error

To respond to a question I got, here are the actual orders.  It is clear
that Italy did not intend to actually hold these units.

Austria: Army Greece -> Bulgaria. (*bounce*)
Austria: Fleet Aegean Sea SUPPORT Italian Army Syria -> Smyrna.
Austria: Army Serbia SUPPORT Army Budapest -> Rumania.
Austria: Army Budapest -> Rumania.
Austria: Army Vienna -> Galicia.

England: Fleet Denmark -> Sweden.
England: Army Holland SUPPORT French Fleet Belgium. (*void*)
England: Army London -> North Sea -> Norway.
England: Fleet Helgoland Bight SUPPORT Army Holland.
England: Fleet Mid-Atlantic Ocean CONVOY French Army Gascony -> North
Africa. (*void*)
England: Fleet North Sea CONVOY Army London -> Norway.

France: Army Marseilles -> Spain.
France: Fleet Belgium -> Holland. (*bounce*)
France: Army Bohemia HOLD.
France: Army Gascony -> Brest.
France: Fleet Western Mediterranean -> Tunis.
France: Army Burgundy -> Picardy.

Germany: Army Ruhr SUPPORT Italian Army Tyrolia -> Munich. (*void*)
Germany: Army Munich -> Silesia.

Italy: Fleet Eastern Mediterranean SUPPORT Army Syria -> Smyrna.
Italy: Fleet Ionian Sea HOLD.
Italy: Army Venice HOLD.
Italy: Army Tyrolia HOLD.
Italy: Army Syria -> Smyrna.

Russia: Army Warsaw -> Ukraine.
Russia: Fleet Rumania -> Sevastopol. (*bounce, dislodged*)
Russia: Army Galicia -> Budapest.
Russia: Fleet Kiel HOLD.
Russia: Army Berlin SUPPORT Italian Army Tyrolia -> Munich. (*void*)
Russia: Fleet Baltic Sea SUPPORT Fleet Kiel.

Turkey: Fleet Black Sea CONVOY Army Constantinople -> Sevastopol.
Turkey: Army Bulgaria -> Rumania. (*bounce*)
Turkey: Army Constantinople -> Black Sea -> Sevastopol. (*bounce*)
Turkey: Fleet Smyrna -> Constantinople. (*bounce, dislodged*)


The following units were dislodged:

The Russian fleet in Rumania with no valid retreats was destroyed.
The Turkish fleet in Smyrna with no valid retreats was destroyed.

 	New Post  Re: Diplomacy Trash Talk Thread  :: Judge: USDP Game:
soshwar Variant: standard
:: Deadline: F1905M Fri 24 Jun 2005 21:00 EDT
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Movement results for Fall of 1905. (soshwar.F1905M)

Austria: Army Greece -> Bulgaria. (*bounce*)
Austria: Fleet Aegean Sea SUPPORT Italian Army Syria -> Smyrna.
Austria: Army Serbia SUPPORT Army Budapest -> Rumania.
Austria: Army Budapest -> Rumania.
Austria: Army Vienna -> Galicia.

England: Fleet Denmark -> Sweden.
England: Army Holland SUPPORT French Fleet Belgium. (*void*)
England: Army London -> North Sea -> Norway.
England: Fleet Helgoland Bight SUPPORT Army Holland.
England: Fleet Mid-Atlantic Ocean CONVOY French Army Gascony -> North
Africa. (*void*)
England: Fleet North Sea CONVOY Army London -> Norway.

France: Army Marseilles -> Spain.
France: Fleet Belgium -> Holland. (*bounce*)
France: Army Bohemia HOLD.
France: Army Gascony -> Brest.
France: Fleet Western Mediterranean -> Tunis.
France: Army Burgundy -> Picardy.

Germany: Army Ruhr SUPPORT Italian Army Tyrolia -> Munich. (*void*)
Germany: Army Munich -> Silesia.

Italy: Fleet Eastern Mediterranean SUPPORT Army Syria -> Smyrna.
Italy: Fleet Ionian Sea HOLD.
Italy: Army Venice HOLD.
Italy: Army Tyrolia HOLD.
Italy: Army Syria -> Smyrna.

Russia: Army Warsaw -> Ukraine.
Russia: Fleet Rumania -> Sevastopol. (*bounce, dislodged*)
Russia: Army Galicia -> Budapest.
Russia: Fleet Kiel HOLD.
Russia: Army Berlin SUPPORT Italian Army Tyrolia -> Munich. (*void*)
Russia: Fleet Baltic Sea SUPPORT Fleet Kiel.

Turkey: Fleet Black Sea CONVOY Army Constantinople -> Sevastopol.
Turkey: Army Bulgaria -> Rumania. (*bounce*)
Turkey: Army Constantinople -> Black Sea -> Sevastopol. (*bounce*)
Turkey: Fleet Smyrna -> Constantinople. (*bounce, dislodged*)


The following units were dislodged:

The Russian fleet in Rumania with no valid retreats was destroyed.
The Turkish fleet in Smyrna with no valid retreats was destroyed.

Ownership of supply centers:

Austria: Greece, Rumania, Serbia, Trieste, Vienna.
England: Denmark, Edinburgh, Holland, London, Liverpool, Norway, Sweden.
France: Belgium, Brest, Marseilles, Paris, Portugal, Spain, Tunis.
Italy: Munich, Naples, Rome, Smyrna, Venice.
Russia: Berlin, Budapest, Kiel, Moscow, Sevastopol, St Petersburg,
Warsaw.
Turkey: Ankara, Bulgaria, Constantinople.

Austria: 5 Supply centers, 5 Units: Builds 0 units.
England: 7 Supply centers, 6 Units: Builds 1 unit.
France: 7 Supply centers, 6 Units: Builds 1 unit.
Germany: 0 Supply centers, 2 Units: Removes 2 units.
Italy: 5 Supply centers, 5 Units: Builds 0 units.
Russia: 7 Supply centers, 5 Units: Builds 2 units.
Turkey: 3 Supply centers, 3 Units: Builds 0 units.

On Fri, 24 Jun 2005, Charles Louis Steinhardt wrote:

> There's a (non-Cat23) judge game in which the following happened.
>
> There are seven people playing that all know each other outside the game,
> and a newbie GM.  A number of players have requested deadlines, and this
> has been frustrating various people in the game.
>
> So in a Fall turn, England requested a deadline extension at the last
> minute, and was given a one-day extension.  He then submitted orders
> without setting wait, but three other powers (IGT) all had the wait flag
> set.
>
> The next morning, a number of players complained vocally about the delay,
> and so the GM noticed that all orders were in and rather than waiting
> until the deadline, force-processed the game.  Unfortunately, Italy had
> apparently been in the midst of changing his orders, was shocked by the
> processing, and submitted orders that he claims were not his intent.
> These orders did actually result in a two-center stab for the Italian
> (successful), but Italy still insisted that he had not actually wanted to
> make the stab.
>
> The GM then decided without really consulting anybody to rollback the
> turn, which now leads to the usual godawful mess that happens when you
> rollback a turn.
>
> What is the best thing to do in this case in order to be maximally fair to
> all players?  The game had been essentially a six-power stalemate and four
> different powers chose to stab during this turn, so a rollback causes
> quite a number of problems.  On the other hand, it was also unfair to
> Italy that he was forced to submit the wrong orders because the GM
> preprocessed after extending the deadline.  But we have to deal with the
> situation as it is, rather than as it should be, so I'd like to get your
> opinion on the right way to proceed from here.
>
> Thanks,
>
> 	-Charles (who is neither a player nor the GM, and might I add is
> not the GM, but an interested observer that knows all parties involved)
>
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