Afternoon tea of champions Dip 1176 EOGs finally.

Mark <[email protected]> Thu, 28 Apr 2005 12:47:57 +0100 (BST)
Newsgroups gmane.games.diplomacy.cat23.results.eleven-hundred
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Result:

Game ended in a 4 way DIAS (Austria, England, France
and Turkey) pre Spring 1917.

Players:

Austria - Rob Wesley - [email protected]
Germany - Steve Ray - [email protected] (eliminated
1905)
France - Freeman M Buttland - [email protected]
Turkey - Rick Mallon - [email protected]
Russia - Gregory Alexopoulos - [email protected]
(eliminated 1916)
England - Suzanne Castagne - [email protected]
Italy - Libby McAfee - [email protected] (eliminated
1911)

Observers:

David M Stewart - [email protected]
Blue - [email protected]
Ian Cowburn - [email protected]
Nigel Pepper - [email protected]


Orders as received:

Austria:

Early Game:
Long time ago and the memories have faded.  Started
out with an 
alliance 
with Italy, and (maybe) an alliance with Germany.  The
German alliance 
was never proved / disproved as Steve (Germany) got
ransacked 
relatively 
quickly by Russia and England.  Italy and I did well
early on against 
Turkey, and then France made his move against Italy. 
I don't remember 
exactly why I stabbed Italy, my vague recollection is
that Russia was 
putting pressure on me from the North, and France was
starting to make 
inroads in the West, and it was time to try to turn
Russia toward 
something other than me.  I made peace with Russia
while taking a 
needed 
build from Italy.  This obviousyly did not make Libby
happy ;-)

Mid Game:
Cleaning up what was left of Italy, and stabilizing
lines against 
France.  Somewhere along about this time, Russia and I
made up with 
Turkey, and put together a coherent strategy to defend
against both 
England and France.  We were able to hold the line
against both (for 
the 
most part) and the break came when France attacked
England.  Rick and I 
were able to make a DMZ with France allowing him to
free up units to go 
after England, and allowing us to go after Russia. 
Our turning on 
Russia had everything to do with Gregory building a
fleet in Sev.  I'm 
sure Gregory will defend this as being the only thing
he could do 
because of pressure / threats from England, but I know
this made me 
re-evaluate the status of the A/R/T, and made me look
for ways to work 
with Turkey to finish Russia off.

End Game:
Maneuvering to grow into the former Russia and keep
the DMZ with 
France.  This was working well, with Rick and I both
making gains into 
Russia.  Rick and I were assessing when it would be
necessary to return 
to the offensive against France when it was suggested
that a four way 
draw was acceptable to at least three of us.  I
proposed the four way 
draw to Mark (somebody else may have as well) and
that's where it 
ended.


Thoughts:
This game had a lot of back and forth.  At one point I
thought it was 
either France's or England's to win.  In fact I think
if they could 
have 
kept their alliance together for a couple of more
years it would have.  
Fortunately they turned on one another while there was
still enough 
left 
in A/R/T to move back up.  I talked with England the
whole game and 
really tried to find some way for our fortunes to
coincide but it never 
seemed to work out.  It always seemed to be better to
attack England 
than work with her (maybe next time, Suzanne).  France
was always very 
quiet, and often sent a message at the last minute
with plans.  This 
sometimes worked, and other times resulted in missed
opportunities.  
Libby and I worked well together until I stabbed her,
and then she 
became the tenacious adversary that she plays so well.
 I don't know if 
it would have turned out differently if I hadn't
stabbed, perhaps.  
Gregory and I, and then Rick and I played defense well
together.  I 
don't know if Rick was serious when he told me that he
was not going to 
stab me under any circumstances in this game, but I'm
glad we didn't 
have to test it.  And last but not least, thanks to
Mark for keeping us 
all in line and the game moving forward.  Another fine
experience.

Rob -- Austria



England:

A long game, with some nice moments, and lots of
frustrations.

First, thanks to Mark for his impeccable GMing and his
friendly, easy-going attitude. Is that the way you
play, too? 

Initial discussions
I started out a bit late on the diplomacy. Gregory
(Russia) and I decided to see if we could work
together peacefully, for once, since we were neither
too close for comfort nor too far.  But he surprised
both Steve (Germany) and I by suggesting an E/G/R
triplet. I don't usually much care for triplets,
unless they follow logically from the initial
discussions; and I really did not see the point of
this one. A friendly understanding in Scandinavia
seemed enough. 

The initial discussions with Steve and Freeman
(France) left me thinking that Freeman would make a
better partner -- except that Freeman was apparently
decided on a Sea Lion, and Steve was decided to let
that happen, without committing himself too much
personally. I remember a long discussion with Freeman
over the channel (yes, he did really talk at that
time), which ended with both of us avoiding it. 

I also decided on a friendly information exchange with
Rob (Austria) and Libby (Italy). Of course, I couldn't
mention the triplet, but since I didn't believe in it,
that was OK. No reply from Turkey; it was more than
halfway through the game that we finally started
talking occasionally.  

The half-hearted Sea Lion
Agreement on the channel or not, Freeman was intent on
going after England. ;(

Then Steve decided to bounce Gregory in Sweden. That
killed the triplet, of course, but I don't think that
anyone but Gregory ever believed in it. It also
managed to upset all three of his neighbors, which was
what saved England's skin later. Gregory, of course,
was the most hurt by it, especially since Rick
(Turkey) also bounced him in Rumania, apparently
hoping that Italy and Austria would continue to
squabble. I was upset, because I saw that in case of
an F-G alliance, it weakened my only ally. And
Freeman? I am not quite sure why he was upset. Maybe
he thought that Russia would join the pig-pile on
England.  Or maybe he foresaw, rightfully, that Steve
would let France and England fight it out, while he
(Germany) tried to take the easy pickings from a
weakened Russia. 

Steve still wavered, or pretended to waver. I expected
the stab, sooner or later. But I hardly expected it in
spring 02, just after he had agreed that we bounce in
Sweden. Why stab when he was giving me a center? I
suppose he had expected Gregory to bounce with me, but
I was fairly sure that Gregory was going into the
Baltic. (I didn't expect an army in Silesia as a plus,
that was both welcome and courageous.)  And, while I
knew I could not hold Belgium, I didn't expect him to
give it to Freeman. Of course, it didn't occur to me
that he would turn around and take it back the next
season. Meanwhile, Gregory and I managed to give
Denmark to Russia, and we were in a fine situation for
a general stalemate.

Freeman stuck with the German alliance anyhow, but it
was no longer very wholehearted, and it opened up
communication between the two of us. A communication
that was surprisingly honest, but not very fruitful. 

I remember Libby in Italy kindly (well, I thought of
it as kindly) putting an army in Tyrolia, to give
Germany pause. I suggested moving to Piedmont, but, as
she explained, she didn't mind France and I butting
heads while she ran the show in the east. Actually,
all four of us, Russia included, were "butting heads"
inconclusively for several years, while Italy and
Austria advanced in the east. Under the circumstances,
that was the best that I could have hoped for. 

Finally, with a series of complicated manoeuvers, I
quit the North Sea to kick Steve's fleet away out of
Hel, I think -- just as Freeman took the Channel.
Ouch! 

Turn-about
Well, almost ouch. After all, it certainly wasn't a
great situation for England, but there was no
assurance that France would get anything for quite a
while, and Germany would be advancing. On the other
hand, Belgium was a sure center for him, and he had a
better chance of making headway in Germany than in
England. I pointed this out, and he was willing to
consider it. I had to do most of the work of figuring
out the tactics, but it was fun. 

Of course, part of the deal had repercussions
elsewhere. Freeman's fleets swung east, very
successfully, while Italy was still trying to finish
Turkey off. And then there was the other part of the
deal : if France was to hit Italy, as well as Germany,
I was supposed to attack Russia as soon as this no
longer jeopardized the German campaign. Berlin was
undecided, that was true; but I was supposed to get
Denmark and StP, something that I couldn't really
mention to Russia. Of course, that part of the deal
might have held or not, more about that later.

The German campaign was surprisingly swift and
successful. No one, least of all me, ever expected it
to end that easily; I thought that Germany would hold
out at least another year probably two. At one time, I
supported Gregory into Kiel without really mentioning
it beforehand. Sorry. It was a last-minute decision,
and I really thought that Steve might try to sneak the
army we were trying to destroy off to the east. It
wasn't until afterwards that I realized that it was a
potentially interesting position.

Germany's unexpectedly sudden demise left us all a bit
in the air. I had to decide which way I was going. But
I had quit the North Sea for the second time, and I
was in no position to attack France. For Russia, on
the other hand, the situation was perfect. And Russia
was trying to get me to DMZ the Baltic and to exchange
centers, while he would pick up the Turkish centers
but refused to commit himself much regarding Austria.
The decision was easy.

So far, so good. Afterward, it was all downhill.

In my head, I planned to get as far as StPete rapidly,
while Freeman moved more to the East, and then stab
France. I told Greory that I wasn't interested in
going any further, although he certainly didn't
believe me. But it didn't work out quite that way.

For one thing, once Germany fell, Freeman started a
long period of semi-mutism. I tried to arrange a DMZ
of Belgium and Holland and I got -- not a refusal, but
silence. :(  

I convoyed to Livonia -- not to stay, but only to
psyche Gregory into moving Norway back, while I moved
back to Berlin. Normally, that should have been
accompanied by a convoy to Denmark, while the fleet in
Denmark headed to Ska. But Freeman psyched me out so
badly that I covered Holland instead. ;(  Idiot that I
was. The following year, I did follow up that way --
except that I managed to get it mixed up and moved to
Hel instead of Ska. And stayed mixed up all year. This
was the Newbie's Tea Party, wasn't it?

So taking back Norway and being in a position to take
StP, which should have taken a couple of years,
managed to take twice that.

Meanwhile, Freeman had accepted the DMZ of the
Atlantic coast, but wanted to move to Ruhr to
recuperate Munich from Austria. Freeman was quite
honest about using it to recuperate Munich, but it was
obviously also for insurance. 

Also meanwhile, I had given Gregory enough time to
move his forces completely northwards, which made
things more difficult for me -- until Turkey stabbed
him. At least that simplified the situation up north.

Endless endgame
By the time that I had gotten as far as StP, France
had made moved most of his forces eastward -- but had
also taken nearly all of Italy, and was starting off
on Austrian territory. It was time to stab, if I was
ever to do so. Or perhaps too late.  At any rate, the
stab itself was badly timed, it came just as France
made further gains in the east.

Afterwards there were years of ups and downs, but
essentially a stalemate. Not diplomacy, more like
shuffling armies about. 

And then diplomacy started again. Unfortunately, I
wasn't part of it this time. It was apparently Freeman
who, out of desperation, broke out of his silence and
made a deal with Austria and Turkey, just as Gregory
had build a fleet that they considered a provocation.
The deal worked. When I saw that Gregory couldn't hold
out, I joined the pig-pile on Russia. But afterwards,
the deal continued to my detriment. I probably could
have slowed down the movement, but I doubt that it
would have changed the outcome.

It doesn't matter. We weren't getting anywhere, it was
slow and dogged, and I'm actually glad that the mess
finally ended.  Sorry that I had to stab two perfectly
good allies and eliminate one to get to this, but glad
it was finished. 

In sum :
Gregory did what he could with what must have been a
frustrating situation, from fall 01 on to the end.
And, bless him, he talked. When we had really nothing
to say about the game, we could at least remake the
world, and otherwise occupy ourselves. Thanks for
making the game livable, in spite of my bad decisions.

Steve was a fine, communicative player until we all
piled on him. But I always had the feeling that,
whatever deal we made, I'd always have to be looking
over my shoulder every minute from that time onward. A
French player I respect highly once said that he
practically never bounced Russia in Sweden in 01,
because it gives England too much of an advantage.
Maybe I see what he meant.

Freeman is a fine, honest, reliable player, a great
ally -- when he's talking. And when he's not... ;)
First time I've ever met a lawyer who hates to talk.

Libby was a shooting star. Were you really surprised
when Austria turned against you? but I thank you for
waking me up properly, with your "butting heads"
remark -- and, of course, for Tyrolia.

Rob was a fine player, a diplomat up to the end. But
is stop-the-leader the only strategy? I'm sure it's
not -- when you're the leader.

I didn't really have much dealings with Rick. I
suppose that's logical; even at the end, England and
Turkey are hardly neighbors.

Thanks to all of you for an interesting game, and
sorry for the years that were so immobile.

Suzanne


France:

What a long game.  And it really started to drag for
the last several game years.  The game started off
somewhat shakily for me.  My negotiations with Suzanne
(England) did not go that well.  I had a very tough
time coming to any sort of agreement with her.  

But Suzanne really seemed to mistrust Steve, which I
suppose benefited me. She did not like or agree with
what I was saying, but it really appeared that she was
not going to be  able to work with Steve.

I had played with Steve before in three prior games. 
I felt like I could work with him. And Suzanne and I
were not hitting it off, so my intention was to ally
with Steve.

I am really having trouble remembering what happened
in Fall 1901, it's been so long, but I do remember
that I thought the critical move was Steve bouncing
Greg in Sweden.  This caused England and Russia to
work together against Steve and I basically could not
make any headway against England.  Also, if I recall
correctly, because I was very cautious in dealing with
Steve, England got Belgium and two builds.  So, I had
a tough time making any progress against England with
Germany not able to offer any help.

So,  though I was allied with Steve, once I saw that
the situation was going to stalemate at best for me, I
changed direction and worked with Suzanne.  I really
am not a great fan of the EF alliance--I just find
that France has a difficult time in the mid to
end-game with England having a natural positional
advantage, but I felt like I did not have a choice.

What if Steve had not bounced in Greg in Sweden? I
assume that Greg would have taken Norway from Suzanne
and I would have been able to overwhelm Suzanne's
forces, but Germany would not have a great avenue for
growth.  So, that was a difficult choice for Steve.  I
am not sure what the right move, if any, there was to
make there.

After that, things went pretty smoothly for a while. 
Germany fell pretty quickly with three countries
attacking it at the same time.  I felt that like
Suzanne was being awfully conservative in making
headway against Russia. I felt like we could have run
the board if we had acted more aggressively.  But
maybe her moves were conservative because she was
planning to attack me, which she in fact did.

Of course, as was inevitable, Suzanne decided to
attack me.  But I was able to put a decent defense and
stop her from doing much. And, once I had a deal with
Rob (Austria) and Rick (Turkey) I had enough forces to
completely stop her and actually push her back, at
least in Germany.

Anyway, that was pretty much how the game went.  I
think in retrospect I wish Steve and I had coordinated
things a bit better in 1901.  I was a bit too
cautious, allowing Suzanne to get two builds, which
makes England quite formidable.  And we should have
perhaps discussed the bounce in Sweden, because that
was something I was not in favor of. This created a
situation where I had no chance of really making any
gains against England and I was worried about getting
stalemated and having Italy attack me.

Rob and Rick were pretty reasonable people to deal
with.  But I did have difficulties with both early on
in the game.  I was trying to make a deal with Rob
when I had conquered most of Italy.  But I wanted
Venice so that we could have natural borders and he
could turn to the east while I dealt with Suzanne.
And, naturally, he did not want to give up Venice.

When Austria, Turkey and Russia were trying to stop
EF, I kept pressing Rick to stabl AR. Which he did. 
Then he looked at all those Turkish fleets coming at
me and I changed my mind about working with Turkey.  I
am not sure what his plans were at that point, but I
kind of reneged on our deal. Sorry about that.

The only time I worked with Greg (Russia) was when I
helped him against Turkey. But my memories of that
part of the game are dim.  Earlier in the game, I
wanted to have England sort of stuck between a strong
Russia and France but that was not to be.  Perhaps I
should have hit England while Russia still had viable
forces in the north.  And he put up a very good
defense against Suzanne.  My problem was I did not
think I could fight a two front war.  And my attempts
to negotiate a deal with Austria to do so failed. 
Once Russia was crushed in the north any chances of a
French solo were crushed as well.

Oh, almost forgot Libby.  Although I broke our deal
she was more upset with Rob than with me, which I was
happy to take advantage of.  She did have a lot of
sound suggestions, which was one reason why I kept
around her in Venice for so long!

And thanks to Mark for doing an exemplary job as GM. I
tested his patience on a number of occasions, too...

When is someone going to win one of these things? I
don't know, but it was a fun game, though it perhaps
dragged a bit as we got near 1920.  At that point,
given the zero chance of a solo in this game, I
decided to throw in the towel and everyone else seemed
quite willing to do so at that point, too.

All the best to everyone.

Freeman

Germany:

This'll be short, because my participation was short.
My memory may be
hazy as well.

Started out with lots of nice words from Freeman,
Suzanne and Gregory.
I agreed to an EGR alliance, while playing nice with
Freeman as a
safety valve. I think Libby and I also agreed to a DMZ
in Tyrolia.

Things went okay in 1901, but then I faced a choice:
continue with the
EGR and stab Freeman, or throw in with Freeman and
scuttle the EGR. I
was nervous about the EGR, because it appeared that
Suzanne and Gregory
would be behind me when we turned south, and I had
nightmares of
becoming a German sandwich on their lunch table.

So I decided to go with Freeman. That worked okay,
except we were sort
of in a stalemate position. And then Libby put an army
in Tyrolia and
pretty much refused to remove it, forcing me to waste
a unit defending
Munich.

So it didn't look great, but I had a reasonably stable
defensive line
against ER -- until Freeman stabbed me.

At that point it was all over. I was doomed by a
failure to establish
any meaningful diplomatic relationships, compounded by
excessive
paranoia and a loose-cannon Italy (from my
perspective; I'm sure Libby
had sound reasons for what she did).

It's rare that I'm the first power eliminated. It's
even rarer, when
that happens, for me to have nobody to blame but
myself. :)

Thanks for the game, folks, and congrats to the
survivors.

Steve


Italy:

Given how long ago it was that I was eliminated I
don't have a great recollection about what transpired.
I do recall Rob and I working together early on.  It
seemed to me that he got cold feet and greedy and
turned on me. 

Had he remained true I suspect he and I could have
done very well 
together. 

Perhaps another time.  Thank you all for playing and I
look forward to 
Playing with any/all of you again.

Libby


Russia:


It was a long, hard game, of 16 years and they voted
to end it as soon as they managed to eliminate me!
Shame on you! I won’t go through the specifics of each
turn, that would make the EOG huge. I will however
comment on some striking things that happened during
the game (striking in terms of “being important in
Moscow”). 

One thing is certain about these “champions” games:
they’re a good opportunity to become a dip-student
again! In this game I had the unfortunate privilege to
spend the entire time perfecting my defensive skills.
From spring 1901 onwards it was as if I my white units
had been transformed to clay pigeons or something.
First it was Germany, then Italy was pulling the
strings against me, then England, then Turkey, then
Austria /and/ Turkey, then England with Austria and
Turkey. I’m sure Trinidad-Tobago would have attacked
me if it were possible! 

So, I learned that I look a lot like an invitation for
target practice. I also learned (once more) that
people view the board based on their perspectives. I
practically “forced” Suzanne to stab me, because once
Germany was out, I tried to reach a new position where
it would hard for her to stab me in the future, so she
had to do it immediately. While this seems obvious
afterwards, it’s amazing how easy it is to miss the
way the picture looks from the other side. 

I also learned that we cat23 x-champions are draw
people. I’m kinda disappointed this is the 4th draw in
the 4th Champions game. Originally I was hoping to see
the series reach 7 games (so, that would mean Supper,
Dinner and Late night snack are still to be
experienced – names are open to suggestions though!).
In the first 4 we’ve had some darn amazing players
crossing swords, performing impressive moves and still
failing to win any of them. This Afternoon Tea in
particular witnessed the early dismissal of Steve Ray
(sorry about that Steve, but don’t bounce any Russian
in Sweden because you assume you can handle the
reaction!) and I admit that lead to a game more static
than usual. I think both Freeman and Suzanne had a
good shot at the solo (especially Suzanne) but got too
conservative to make it happen. Of course, I’m as dead
as a dodo, so I’m probably wrong about all this! 

The game’s length also indicates the rather
unadventurous approach that dominated it. It’s not
that we didn’t have shifts of alliances, but there
were no spectacular ones to be had. It’s not like we
didn’t have lots of fun exchanging letters etc, but
there was practically no public press, no puns, no
screaming of victims. It’s not like there was no
backstabbing, claws reaching for throats, or
hair-pulling among friendly neighbors. My only
“complain” is that most of it was anticipated. In the
long, harsh 16 years of war, every stab or attack was
the logical, anticipated thing one would expect to see
(with the sad exception of yours truly getting an
all-around bruised ego in 1901). And I know we can do
much better – I’ve seen all of you people doing hugely
better! 

Despite my complaint, I enjoyed the game a lot,
frustrating as it was. The participants were timely
and dedicated, the press was good and humorous (when
that was possible!) and the challenges enormous.
Suzanne is certainly a force to be reckoned with, and
I sincerely think that had she kept me around to annoy
Rob and Rick, she would have a good chance to break
through Freeman’s lines and go for the Holy Grail.
Freeman is an excellent tactician and a masterful
strategist, but he may have missed this game because
of the little time he invented in communication during
the crucial years when he was leading the board. Rob
was fun to play with or against (as always). Surviving
/this/ game as Austria was no small accomplishment.
Rick practically came back from the dead, and that’s
huge. I still believe though that his stab on me (the
second out of three Turkish in total) was the trigger
that lead to events giving both Freeman and Suzanne a
shot at the solo later on. Steve was great once more,
I have the greatest respect for his abilities.
However, I have yet to understand why he thought I
would stomach the bounce in Sweden when nothing better
was offered as an alternative – in a way he threw me
in Suzanne’s camp. Libby started the game out
impressively and I think she had a lot to do with the
entire initial alliance structure, but she drew too
much attention on herself and that’s always bad
against players like this unholy group of muggers. As
for Mark, it’s not the first time I enjoy his relaxed
yet precise and refined GMing style and I will
certainly look forward to the next game under his
guidance! I’m flattered to be among this group, and
despite my grievances for not witnessing a solo, I’m
eager to cross swords with you guys in the future! 

All the best, 
Gregory
Russia in “Afternoon Tea of Champions” 


Turkey:

It was the first time I'd ever played Turkey.  I've
played every other
position on the board a number of times - but not
Turkey.  I didn't do
the position justice.  I had decided before the game
started to attack
Russia for - I flipped a coin between Russia and
Austria - sorry 
Gregory
you lost.

It didn't take me long not to trust Italy (Libby) - by
fall 1901 I was
basically certain Italy couldn't be trusted.  I found
Italy to be
unpredictable and too big a fan of one-sided
negotiations.  The Italian
fleet in the Aegean sealed the deal for me.  It forced
me to break off
my attack on Russia and work towards getting Italy
pushed back.  In 
1902
things went from bad to worse as the Lepanto unvealed
itself.  Austria 
&
Italy took out Bulgaria - Italian fleets invaded
EasMed along with
Aegean and Russia got into the Black Sea.  Wasn't
looking too good.
Still Austria stabbed Russia in Rum which sort of put
Russia & me in 
the
same boat.  

I lost Smy in 1903 to those pesky Italian fleets and
in 1904 gave up 
Con
and was looking at an early exit.  In 1905 I was down
to 1 unit but 
then
Austria stabbed Italy and Russia decided to help me
regain Smyrna.  
1905
saw Germany get wiped out and an EF powerhouse was
underway.  But I had
increased by army by 100% and was feeling mighty
strong.  1906 I
remained stalled at 2 units - I got Con but Russia
kept the boot on my
neck by taking Ank (which is exactly what I would have
done in his
place).  But Russia's northern position was eroding so
he disbanded 
Ank.
In 1907 I retook Ank in the fall and after 7 years was
right back to
where I'd started.  

Spring 1908 saw the rise of the ART vs EF coalition
and we began to 
work
overtime to create an EF split via diplomacy.  By 1909
the coalition 
was
in rough shape.  My lingering mistrust of Russia led
me to stab him for
Sev & Con.  That seemed to irritate him - go figure. 
Good news was 
that
EF finally came to blows in 1910.  1911 & 1912 saw a
lot of board
fluidity.  It became clear that ER were working
together even though
Russia had professed to be friends again with myself &
Turkey.  This
ended up with Russia sneaking a unit into Arm to flare
things up again.
He retreated in spring 1913 only to eventually build F
Sev over the
objections of myself and Austria.  Enough was enough.

In 1914 AT sided with France more actively and
repositioned units to
attack Russia.  By 1916 Russia was a pleasant distant
memory & by 1917 
I
was at 6 SCs and happily agreeing to a DIAS.  A good
result considering
1905 Annus Horribilus.  

This was a pretty interesting game when you think of
it.  Lots of good
dipping going on all game.  Thanks to all the players
and to Mark for
all of his hard work.

Rick.  

Gm:

Thanks for a generally trouble free game, commitment
as usual was excellent.  

That was certainly a long game, I’ll admit I lost
interest in about 1910-1911 as it appeared to become a
bit of a ballet show after that point.

I always feel that a 4 way is one of the most
disappointing results in Diplomacy but I understand
why it seems to happen on so many occasions.

So, onward, if Gregory would like me to run the next
game, I’d be honoured.  Assuming he does, you all have
a reservation for:

Dip 1225 “Pre theatre blue plate supper of champions” 


If you can think up a better mid-atlantic name I’d
love to hear it.

Start date, June 1st 2005 9PM BST (GMT+1)

Country preferences to me please, don’t forget if you
already played a country in the “Champions”  series
you can’t play it again.


Mark




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