[freeciv-data] Re: Re: Fixes and additions for nation files

On Thu, Dec 12, 2002 at 03:29:15PM -0500, Eric S. Raymond wrote:
> 
> Paul Zastoupil <[email protected]>:
> > > That's OK, I'll pick nits right back at you.  The Gondorians don't
> > > describe themselves as Dunedain in the books. :-)
> > 
> > Wheee :)
> > 
> > But Aragorn was called Dunedain, "Man of the west".  Since the blood
> > of the Gondorians (and any reminent Arnorians) was from Numenor, in
> > the west... Its not a far leap.  If we could agree they were Edain,
> > then they were also Dunedain.
> 
> Bzzzt!  Logic failure.  Aragorn wasn't Gondorian, he was from the royal 
> line of Arnor!

Arnor, Gondor, they were all the same before the death of Elendil.  But
do you undestand my point about Edain -> Numenoreans -> Dunedan?
> 
> (I'm one of *those* Tolkien fans,  Taught myself to write Feanorian and
> actually recognized some spoken Elvish in the LOT movie -- when I wasn't
> being too distracted by Liv Tyler's lips, that is.)

I did too, and I wasn't even distracted ;)  What did distract me was how
many times she showed up.  I actually wrote a poem in Quenya once... If
I continue this paragraph I will likely lower my social standing a bit...
> 
> 
> > >   "Barad-Dûr", "Durthang", "Orodruin", "Morannon", "Dol Guldur",
> > >   "Minas Morgul", "Cirith Ungol", "Moria", "Angmar", "Gorgoroth",
> > >   "Morgai", "Nurn", "Khand", "Rhûn", "Harad", "Dagorlad", "Ephel Dúath",
> > >   "Ered Lithui", "Emyn Muil", "Núrnen", "Poros", "Harnen", "Lugbúrz",
> > >   "Angband", "Carn Dûm", "Utumno", "Amon Amarth", "Uruk-hai", "Olog-hai",
> > >   "Azog", "Bolg", "Gorbag", "Shagrat", "Grishnákh", "Glamhoth"
> > 
> > Yes, this is a problem.  Have you actually played a game of Freeciv
> > with an experienced player?  This list is still MUCH too short.  So you
> > can see the dilemma.  Its more of a "theme" as you have pointed out.
> > Feeling evil yet? :)
> 
> Bwahahaha!  Yes...
> 
> Thangorodrim:    The mountains that Morgoth raised above Angband
> Orthanc:         Well, it was evil in the books
> Angrenost:       The Elvish name for Orthanc
> Mount Fang:      Another use-name of Orthanc
> Cirith Gorgor:   The Haunted Pass, where the Ered Lithui & Ephel Dúath meet
> Moontower:       A poetic name of Minas Morgul
> Hells of Iron:   Another name for Angband
> Udûn:            The northern valley of Mordor that lay behind the Morannon
> Havens of Umbar: Ruled by Sauron's allies
> Phurunargian:    Westron name of Moria
> Khand:           Traditional ally of Mordor lying to the east.
> Rhûn:            General term for the lands to the East
> Sammath Naur:    The Cracks of Doom...part of Orodruin, properly speaking.
> 
> There you go.  Thirteen actual placenames.  Now lose those flippin' orcs! :-)

Very cool.  Time to make a patch.

> 
> You should probably change Nu'rnen to Nurn.  Unless you *want* to name a
> city after a big lake :-)

I think the lake was what I had in mind at the time of writing.
> 
-- 
Paul Zastoupil