Re: Defining Trust and Reputation
Ed Gerck <[email protected]> Tue, 16 Mar 2004 17:17:46 -0800
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While I'm still reading past postings to falimiarize myself with what has already been done, I'd like to reply to Yakov's message Re above. Because I need to first deal with a scale for trust values, my answer is actually at the end, where I restate some of Yakov's comments. In terms of trust as I defined before here [1], an email address should have a *minimum* of three possible values: +, 0 and - + trusted according to policy(+) 0 trust value not assigned - distrusted according to policy(-) Of course, the positive and negative range can be expanded in values as well. How to assign these values? How the trust model works? Let me copy from an earlier discussion elsewhere. This is the wrong question to ask. The real answer is, "what trust model would you like?" There is a built-in notion (given by the abstract trust definition in [1]) of the meta-rules that a trust model has to follow, but I might buy a trust model from someone and add that, design my own, or even augment one I bought. Thus, I can ask for a fingerprint and check it against the FBI, Scotland Yard, and Surite databases, check their PGP key to make sure that it was signed my Mother Theresa, ask for a letter of recommendation from either the Pope or the Dalai Lama (except during Ramadan, when only approval by an Iman will do), and then reject them out of hand if I haven't had my second cup of coffee. As flippant as I'm being, this has a lot of value. I write with a GUI framework because I don't have to worry my pretty little head about the details of how to draw a checkbox. I ask the system to draw it for me, and it does. It even handles what happens when it's clicked. I just ask the checkbox if it's on or off, and it tells me. If I want a special checkbox, I can make one of those as a subclass, and once I've done that work, I don't have to think about it again, I just use it. Similarly, if I use such a concept of trust, I may have to do some up front work to get things the way I want but I can always use an off-the-shelf validity mechanism. In either case, I just ask the trust framework if the trust assertion is valid. The framework can combine rules of thumb with special-cases as appropriate, and without my having to worry my pretty little head about it. In short, trust on the sender cannot be proven by the sender (self- assertions cannot induce trust -- e.g., "trust me" doesn't work). It must be calculated using sources independent of the sender. The sender may hint to a specific trust service used, and even provide it and its values, but we should be able to get that information from the service directly and/or chose our own trust services independently. In doing so, trust on the sender is what the receiver determines at a specific time based on a behavior model for the sender. If the sender cooperates, the process can be faster and easier. But the sender cannot determine the process. The problem is, thus, not how do you determine trust, especially with all the different definitions of spam possible, but how do you want to do it. All you need to do is conform to the abstract model of trust [1]. Cheers, Ed Gerck [1] http://nma.com/mcg-mirror/trustdef.htm