Re: Welcome to the new(ish) ASRG list

Unlike Bill Gates proposal I want to reduce the senders cost to as close to 
nil as possible (except for spammers of course).

I was thinking when you pay your monthly fee to your ISP you get a certain 
number of stamps. As long as the recipient accepts the email the stamp is 
"refunded"it goes back into your stamp bank. If your ISP wont play ball you 
can collect your stamps as an individual or organisation.

The stamp will act to authenticate you and your message. 
Governments,banks,utilities etc will find a significant use for it. They of 
course will need a much larger allotment of stamps. As long as they keep 
their email lists clean the stamps will continue to circulate thus their 
ongoing cost would be minimal.

The stamp would only authenticate the body of the message and the original 
sender. Therefore forwarding etc will continue to work. the algorithm 
would/should be able to pinpoint any non original text. so it could 
highlight any text placed into the message during transport (man in the middle).

The idea that the mail user agent (mua) does the processing allows the whole 
problem of ISP's lack of take up and open relays to be sidestepped. A 
message is verified (through central stamp servers or WoT system) before the 
user gets to see the email so while they at least receive the mail headers a 
spam mail can be dropped before downloading the body.

It also sidesteps the whole patent and licensing issue, something that 
negatively effected the uptake of SPF and Domain keys.

Unstamped emails can be routed to antispam filters or other action taken.

My impetus for thinking about this again after many years of giving up was 
an email I sent to a collegue was filtered out by gmail because I spoke 
about large sums of money. google decided I was a Nigerian scam!


Regards
Chris

On 17/03/2013 10:49 AM, Neil Schwartzman wrote:
> this sounds like a /great/ idea,and you have some heavy backing for it, too.
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> Why I Hate Spam
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> *Reprinted from **The Wall Street Journal **by Bill Gates*
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> https://www.microsoft.com/presspass/ofnote/06-23wsjspam.mspx
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> Here's what he proposed:
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>     Chairman Bill's ‘magic spam cure’ – a revenue opportunity?
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> http://www.theregister.co.uk/2004/01/28/chairman_bills_magic_spam_cure/
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> On Mar 16, 2013, at 4:53 PM, Chris <[email protected] 
> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
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>> haha I clicked send before I finished deleting the "it works" part. It 
>> was supposed to be "it works by ..." but I decided to delete it as I 
>> haven't fully formulated the idea yet. and I haven't even decided if it 
>> could work :)
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>> Essentially its a reputation system. To send an email you need to attach 
>> a stamp. if that stamp is successfully received it gives the sender a new 
>> stamp so he can send another email.
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>> the idea is a bulk email sender will have a very high failure rate and 
>> therefore their supply of stamps will dwindle.
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>> Its just the first thought in a system designed to get the process of 
>> stopping spam away from the MTA and into the client application. It has 
>> been solidly proven we can forget about ISP's implementing a consistent 
>> antispam system
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>> I had high hopes for spf but it seems to have done very little too few 
>> sysadmins implement it.
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>> Regards
>> Chris
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>> On 17/03/2013 10:07 AM, John R. Levine wrote:
>>>> My thoughts were along the line of a stamp trading system. it works
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>>> No, it doesn't, but go ahead and tell us about it.
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>>> R's,
>>> John
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