Re: Water tight opt-in (yet another FUSSP)

Folks,

Please stop.

This is an IETF mailing list.  The IETF has rules about proper conduct 
on its mailing lists.  Attacking participants is not permitted.

As soon as things devolve into personal attacks, the proper response is 
no response.

d/


On 1/11/2014 6:23 AM, Neil Schwartzman wrote:
> On Jan 6, 2014, at 7:13 PM, Dave Warren <[email protected]
> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
>
>> it is laughed off as a "Well I don't see a problem when I don't look
>> very hard" by one of the professionals who makes money from the same
>> industry that makes their money sending unwanted spamvertising in the
>> first place.
>
> Since I work for a major receiver would my laughing this off be more
> credible (not that I accept for a moment that Laura’s comments lack
> credibility, or yours being mean-spirited and insulting)?
>
>  From what I can parse this proposal involves receivers changing
> infrastructure to fix a problem for which we already have a solution,
> AND it makes receivers the de facto curators of permission, which may
> have associated legal liabilities. So, more cost, and potential exposure
> with no benefits to our customers? Proposing this would be career suicide.
>
> Allow me to have a long belly laugh.
>
> The sender of email has, as part of their normal operating
> responsibilities and costs, the need to collect and retain permission
> data, mostly for legal purposes (permission doesn’t figure into SMTP nor
> reputational decisions for message disposition). Under Canada’s
> Anti-spam Legislation, there is a follow-the-money régime. Were a
> receiver to be the holder of permission data, and somewhere along the
> line screwed it up, implementation of this scheme may leave them exposed
> to investigations and administrative monetary penalties.
>
> I see zero motivating factors to help Senders deal with any problems at
> their end, and many potential negatives.
>
> Neil Schwartzman
> Executive Director
> Coalition Against Unsolicited Commercial Email
> http://cauce.org
> Tel : (303) 800-6345
> Twitter : @cauce


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Dave Crocker
Brandenburg InternetWorking
bbiw.net
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