Re: [AVTCORE] I-D Action: draft-ietf-payload-rtp-ttml-06.txt

> Are you unfamiliar with the term "workflow" or suggesting its inappropriate in this context?

The latter, James.

Barry

On Fri, Nov 22, 2019 at 3:57 PM James Sandford <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> Hello,
> Thanks for your comments. I don't believe "workflow" is broadcast specific. I've seen it used in the context of many processes where multiple actors handle something in sequence. This includes manufacturing workflows, software development workflows, and even RFC creation. From the tools.ietf.org page:
>
>     The New Internet Draft Submission Tool replaces the older Draft Submission Tool and the even older email submission workflow
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> Are you unfamiliar with the term "workflow" or suggesting its inappropriate in this context?
>
> Regards,
> James
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> ________________________________________
> From: Martin J. Dürst [[email protected]]
> Sent: 22 November 2019 07:02
> To: Barry Leiba; Roni Even; James Sandford
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> Subject: Fwd: I-D Action: draft-ietf-payload-rtp-ttml-06.txt
>
> Sorry that this only just now cought my eye, but the document is in the
> RFC Editor's queue for only 1 day yet, and I think there are serious
> editorial changes that would improve the document quite a bit.
>
> The document mentions the word "workflow" to describe TTML several
> times, in particular two times in the abstract. This was surprising to
> me because while I have been involved in W3C for a long time, I have
> never heard the word "workflow" in connection with TTTML.
>
> I just checked, and indeed Timed Text Markup Language 2 (TTML2)
> (W3C Recommendation 08 November 2018, https://www.w3.org/TR/ttml2/)
> doesn't mention the word "workflow" a single time. The way TTML
> describes itself is:
>
>     The Timed Text Markup Language is a content type that
>     represents timed text media for the purpose of interchange
>     among authoring systems. Timed text is textual information
>     that is intrinsically or extrinsically associated with
>     timing information.
>
> The word "workflow" may have a very specific meaning in the television
> industry, which lead the author of this document to choose this word,
> but it is very confusing for readers not familiar with such terminology.
> So in order to avoid such confusion, I strongly suggest to
> remove/replace the word "workflow" from the document, and in particular
> from the abstract. Given the nature of RTP, it seems to me that it's
> pretty obvious that a payload format is needed for 'live' use cases, and
> not for file transfer (which may be done with HTTP or FTP or whatever
> else). So I don't think there is a need to bring in the specific
> viewpoint of the TV industry and therewith confuse people from other
> industries and describe TTML in a completely different way than people
> in general are understanding it.
>
> Sorry this got a bit long, but I hope I got my point across. If I should
> send this somewhere else, please tell me.
>
> Regards,   Martin.
>
> -------- Forwarded Message --------
> Subject: I-D Action: draft-ietf-payload-rtp-ttml-06.txt
> Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2019 08:31:31 -0800
> From: [email protected]
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> To: [email protected]
> CC: [email protected]
>
>
> A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts
> directories.
> This draft is a work item of the Audio/Video Transport Core Maintenance
> WG of the IETF.
>
>          Title           : RTP Payload for TTML Timed Text
>          Author          : James Sandford
>         Filename        : draft-ietf-payload-rtp-ttml-06.txt
>         Pages           : 17
>         Date            : 2019-11-19
>
> Abstract:
>     This memo describes a Real-time Transport Protocol (RTP) payload
>     format for TTML, an XML based timed text format for live and file
>     based workflows from W3C.  This payload format is specifically
>     targeted at live workflows using TTML.
>
>
> The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is:
> https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-payload-rtp-ttml/
>
> There are also htmlized versions available at:
> https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-payload-rtp-ttml-06
> https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-payload-rtp-ttml-06
>
> A diff from the previous version is available at:
> https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-ietf-payload-rtp-ttml-06
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