[ippm] Re: Joint BMWG/IPPM chartering

Ike Kunze <ike.kunze=40cujo.com-Tr9gZwTxerDR74oF6e/[email protected]> Mon, 8 Jun 2026 12:43:14 +0000
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Hi Thomas,

Thanks for the proposals!
They look good to me.
Only some small nits (see this PR: https://github.com/ietf-ippm/wg-charter/=
pull/10).

Cheers,
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Date: Sunday, 7 June 2026 at 11:17
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Subject: RE: Joint BMWG/IPPM chartering

Dear Ike,

Many thanks for the feedback. See below as an individual my feedback. Let m=
e know you thoughts.

We will consider this together with Tim's input and a implementation policy=
 suggestion in the next version of the charter.

Best wishes
Thomas

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Hi all,

Thanks for the work already done on the charter proposal!
>From my relatively narrow (and mostly IPPM-focused) point of view, the char=
ter proposal is already in good shape content-wise.
I mainly have some text-related consistency comments; going through them in=
 chronological order.


First comment:
The initial part of the charter focuses on =93metrics, methodologies, and p=
rotocols=94 with two sentences.
Those sentences make sense to me and create a strong context for the charte=
r.
The paragraph ends with a (to me) surprisingly focused sentence on metrics.

The next paragraph then focuses on methodologies.
There is no dedicated text on protocols except for briefly mentioning =93ac=
ross IETF protocols=94.

To me, this first part of the charter could be more consistent:

  *   Leave the first two sentences as they are to set the scope of the cha=
rter.
  *   Make the second paragraph about providing more details about the thre=
e focus points
     *   Move the =93such metrics=94 sentence to this paragraph
     *   Consider adding a sentence on protocols OR rephrase the paragraph =
so that it talks more generally about "metrics, methodologies, and protocol=
s=94 at once
        *   (at least to me, replacing =93such metrics=94 with =93such meth=
odologies=94 or =93such protocols=94 would equally make sense; same goes fo=
r the =93The methodologies=94 sentence).
        *   I am struggling a bit to find a good word to capture the three =
aspects at once, though.

TG> Agree. The consistency can be improved.



Before:

<remove the following from the first paragraph>

Such metrics are intended to provide unbiased quantitative performance meas=
urements.

After:

<move the following to the end of the second paragraph>

The protocols focuses on forwarding plane and how they are encoded in the d=
ata plane. The metrics are intended to provide unbiased quantitative perfor=
mance measurements.


Adding to Tim=92s question about security and Thomas=92 suggestion, I would=
 propose making the =93security building blocks" sentence into a dedicated =
paragraph between the second paragraph and the final =93The xxxx WG fosters=
 =85=94 sentence.
The main reason is that I think that we could provide a bit clearer context=
 on these building blocks.

Also, the WG is responsible for documenting common security building blocks=
 and guidance for methodologies and measurement protocols, including guidan=
ce on how to handle sensitive and vulnerable metrics.
Specifically, to me, it is not only about handling sensitive data (in a sen=
se of protecting confidentiality and privacy) but also about making sure th=
at the methodology cannot (easily) be abused (for which we might want to me=
ntion authentication?), that the results are trustworthy (i.e., that we pre=
vent tampering), and that the intended deployment scope is clear (especiall=
y when the WG works on both, lab and production methodologies).
I am not sure if that level of detail is already too specific for a charter=
, but I would at least consider adding some text along those lines.
Also considering Greg=92s / Med=92s comments/suggestions regarding (non-)in=
trusive, would this paragraph be a place to touch upon this aspect from a =
=93safety=94(?) perspective?

TG> That makes sense to me. How about

Before:

including guidance on how to handle sensitive and vulnerable metrics.

After:

including guidance on how to handle sensitive and vulnerable metrics, that =
methodologies are safe and cannot be easily abused, and that the results ar=
e trustworthy.

Second comment:
The =93Work Items=94 currently state that
The work scope is limited to metrics and methodologies
which (in the current form of the charter proposal) again leaves out protoc=
ols, especially for someone mostly skimming the charter.
For consistency reasons, I would suggest adding protocols here as well.

TG> Makes sense. How about:

Before:

The work scope is limited to metrics and methodologies

After:

The work scope is limited to protocols, metrics and methodologies

Third comment:
Lastly, regarding Tim=92s comment/ Thomas=92s suggestion


I assume the nature of the work in https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-i=
etf-ippm-qoo/ remains covered by the new charter. The text doesn=92t explic=
itly mention quality assessment frameworks and scoring.



Second, it would be a nice nod to Dave T=E4ht to explicitly mention bufferb=
loat detection in the charter, with related work like in particular https:/=
/datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-ippm-responsiveness/.



TG> Both are good points which should be clearly mentioned. How about



Before:



The WG will also produce terminology documents and recommendations concerni=
ng the key performance characteristics of internetworking technologies, or =
benchmarks for network devices, systems, and services.



After:



The WG will also produce terminology documents and recommendations concerni=
ng the key performance characteristics of internetworking technologies, or =
benchmarks for network devices, systems, and services. This includes also q=
uality assessment frameworks, scoring, and bufferbloat detection.

Speaking as the editor of the QoO draft, I would have seen QoO in scope of =
the proposed charter already through the first sentence of the charter:

=93[..] develops [..] methodologies [..] that can be applied to the quality=
 [and] performance [..] of applications [..]=94.

That being said, I do like the nod to Dave and the more explicit mentioning=
 of quality assessment.
However, the latter adds a bit of redundancy (quality / perf. characteristi=
cs; assessment / scoring) and the exact meaning of the first sentence was a=
nd still is a bit ambiguous to me.
Is this about

=93produce terminology documents and recommendations about 1) KPIs of inter=
networking tech and 2) benchmarks=94

or is this about

=93KPIs of internetworking tech and benchmarks=94?

I am pretty sure it=92s the first one but I also see the possibility of som=
eone interpreting it as the second one.
Maybe the following suggestion could tackle both the redundancy and the amb=
iguity?


  *   The WG will also produce terminology documents and recommendations on=
 key performance characteristics of internetworking technologies, on framew=
orks for assessing these characteristics, and on benchmarks for network dev=
ices, systems, and services, including related topics such as bufferbloat d=
etection.

TG> That proposal makes perfectly sense to me.

As I said in the beginning, I think that the charter is already in good sha=
pe, so please see my comments as additional suggestions that might help mak=
ing the charter a bit more precise and easier to understand.

Thanks!

Cheers,
Ike


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Dear Tim,

We are about to prepare another charter proposal update. I would appreciate=
 if you could review my proposal.

And of course, anybody else on the mailing list who likes to comment or has=
 different suggestions, please join the conversation.

Best wishes
Thomas

From: Graf Thomas, SCS-INI-NET-VNC-E2E
Sent: Friday, May 1, 2026 9:32 AM
To: 'Tim Chown' <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>>; ippm@i=
etf.org<mailto:[email protected]>; [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>
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Subject: RE: Joint BMWG/IPPM chartering

Dear Tim,

Thanks a lot! These are very good points. As an individual, see inline my f=
eedback and proposals how to address this in the proposed charter.

Best wishes
Thomas

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Subject: Re: Joint BMWG/IPPM chartering

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Hi,

I think this is a good, firm strawman and something that should definitely =
be taken forward. Thank you for the work in getting this far.

A few comments=85

I don't understand the "the WG is responsible for documenting common securi=
ty building blocks and guidance=94 line. What are these building blocks?  T=
o someone just reading this charter, it=92s not clear.  Security of measure=
ment protocols?  Measurement of security appliances?  Something else?

TG> Correct. This needs to be set into context. How about

Before:

The xxxx WG fosters commonality and comparability of metrics and measuremen=
ts across IETF protocols at different layers. Also, the WG is responsible f=
or documenting common security building blocks and guidance.

After:

The xxxx WG fosters commonality and comparability of metrics and measuremen=
ts across IETF protocols at different layers. Also, the WG is responsible f=
or documenting common security building blocks and guidance for methodologi=
es and measurement protocols, including guidance on how to handle sensitive=
 and vulnerable metrics.


I assume the nature of the work in https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-i=
etf-ippm-qoo/ remains covered by the new charter. The text doesn=92t explic=
itly mention quality assessment frameworks and scoring.

Second, it would be a nice nod to Dave T=E4ht to explicitly mention bufferb=
loat detection in the charter, with related work like in particular https:/=
/datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-ippm-responsiveness/.

TG> Both are good points which should be clearly mentioned. How about

Before:

The WG will also produce terminology documents and recommendations concerni=
ng the key performance characteristics of internetworking technologies, or =
benchmarks for network devices, systems, and services.

After:

The WG will also produce terminology documents and recommendations concerni=
ng the key performance characteristics of internetworking technologies, or =
benchmarks for network devices, systems, and services. This includes also q=
uality assessment frameworks, scoring, and bufferbloat detection.

The related WGs (well, RGs) should probably include maprg, both for the wor=
k it does that may lead to new proposals for protocol work, and its testing=
 of drafts/protocols under development in the new combined WG.

TG> I think the relationship with MAPRG falls under collaboration and there=
fore could be mentioned like this:

Before:

The WG closely collaborates with the Performance Metrics Directorate per th=
e guidance in BCP 170.

After:

The WG closely collaborates with the Performance Metrics Directorate per th=
e guidance in BCP 170 and also with MAPRG.

And considering something I=92m involved with at the moment, is measurement=
 of jumbo frame MTU operation in scope for this WG, e.g., testing for 9000 =
MTU end-to-end?   It=92s not clear to me from reading the text.  Do we need=
 to add any paragraph about what=92s NOT in scope, or do we leave it up to =
the WG to decide what it can adopt?

TG> From my point of few, this is already to detailed for a charter item. P=
erhaps others have a different opinion.

I=92ve not added these as issues.

TG> Let me know your thoughts and suggestions on the proposals. I can add t=
hem then to the issues: https://github.com/ietf-ippm/wg-charter/issues

Tim

On 26/04/2026, 09:02, "Thomas.Graf-Zc0CTiu5wcBWk0Htik3J/[email protected]<mailto:Thomas.Graf@swisscom=
.com>" <Thomas.Graf-Zc0CTiu5wcBWk0Htik3J/[email protected]<mailto:Thomas.Graf-Zc0CTiu5wcBWk0Htik3J/[email protected]>> wrote:

Dear BMWG and IPPM,

On behalf of the chairs. At IETF 125 we had a public joint chartering sessi=
on onsite. In that session and during the discussion afterwards, we consoli=
dated and simplified the existing charters

https://datatracker.ietf.org/wg/bmwg/about/
https://datatracker.ietf.org/wg/ippm/about/

for a new joint charter proposal

https://github.com/ietf-ippm/wg-charter/blob/main/ippm-bmwg-joint.md

Out of this exercise we highlight that the following items are specific to =
BMWG or IPPM today:

- applications running over public and private networks
- including endpoints in production and lab environments. Where in lab envi=
ronments the testing procedures ensure consistent, reproducible, and report=
able benchmarking results.
- The WG will also produce terminology documents and recommendations concer=
ning the key performance characteristics of internetworking technologies, o=
r benchmarks for network devices, systems, and services.

We added new items to the charter based on recent working group discussions

-           IETF protocols at different layers
-           documenting common security building blocks
-           The WG will also produce terminology documents and recommendati=
ons
-           the WG will specify related manageability aspects, such as YANG=
 data models for configuration, operation, and Network Telemetry data expor=
t
-           Layer 2 applications can be covered as well but require explici=
t approval from the Responsible Area Director.
-           It specifically coordinates with other WGs such as MPLS, 6MAN, =
and SPRING where data plane encapsulations are specified.
-           The WG liaises with other Standards Development Organizations s=
uch as ITU-T, IEEE, 3GPP, and BBF and reaches out to other operator communi=
ties such as NANOG, RIPE, and APRICOT.

Many thanks to Carsten, Luis, Med, Qin, Marcus, Giuseppe and Sarah for this=
 proposal.

We would like to get reviews and feedback on the joint charter proposal fro=
m both working groups. And in particular, we also invite BMWG and IPPM auth=
ors to check whether the newly proposed joint charter covers their work acc=
urately.

-           Do you believe that this joint charter covers your existing and=
 future work?
-           Do you believe it describes and scopes accurately the current a=
nd future work of both working groups?
-           Is something missing or should be omitted? Why?

Please comment on this thread and also feel free to open change proposals h=
ere: https://github.com/ietf-ippm/wg-charter/issues

We intend to follow up also with the MPLS, 6MAN, and SPRING working groups =
once this discussion is stabilizing.

Best wishes
Qin, Giuseppe, Sarah, Marcus and Thomas

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<b>From: </b>Thomas.Graf-Zc0CTiu5wcBWk0Htik3J/[email protected] &lt;Thomas.Graf-Zc0CTiu5wcBWk0Htik3J/[email protected]&gt;<br>
<b>Date: </b>Sunday, 7 June 2026 at 11:17<br>
<b>To: </b>[email protected] &lt;[email protected]&gt;; [email protected] &lt=
;[email protected]&gt;; [email protected] &lt;[email protected]&gt;<br>
<b>Cc: </b>[email protected] &lt;[email protected]&gt;; bmwg-chairs@i=
etf.org &lt;[email protected]&gt;; [email protected] &lt;[email protected]=
&gt;; [email protected] &lt;[email protected]&gt;<br>
<b>Subject: </b>RE: Joint BMWG/IPPM chartering<br>
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<span style=3D"font-family: &quot;Trebuchet MS&quot;, sans-serif; font-size=
: 10pt; color: rgb(14, 40, 65);">Dear Ike,</span></p>
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<span style=3D"font-family: &quot;Trebuchet MS&quot;, sans-serif; font-size=
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<span style=3D"font-family: &quot;Trebuchet MS&quot;, sans-serif; font-size=
: 10pt; color: rgb(14, 40, 65);">Many thanks for the feedback. See below as=
 an individual my feedback. Let me know you thoughts.</span></p>
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<span style=3D"font-family: &quot;Trebuchet MS&quot;, sans-serif; font-size=
: 10pt; color: rgb(14, 40, 65);">&nbsp;</span></p>
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<span style=3D"font-family: &quot;Trebuchet MS&quot;, sans-serif; font-size=
: 10pt; color: rgb(14, 40, 65);">We will consider this together with Tim's =
input and a implementation policy suggestion in the next version of the cha=
rter.</span></p>
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<span style=3D"font-family: &quot;Trebuchet MS&quot;, sans-serif; font-size=
: 10pt; color: rgb(14, 40, 65);">Best wishes</span></p>
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<span style=3D"font-family: &quot;Trebuchet MS&quot;, sans-serif; font-size=
: 10pt; color: rgb(14, 40, 65);">Thomas</span></p>
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<span style=3D"font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; font-size: 11pt;"><b>From:=
</b>&nbsp;Ike Kunze &lt;[email protected]&gt;
<br>
<b>Sent:</b>&nbsp;Wednesday, May 27, 2026 9:42 AM<br>
<b>To:</b>&nbsp;[email protected]; [email protected]<br>
<b>Cc:</b>&nbsp;[email protected]; [email protected]; [email protected]=
g; [email protected]; Graf Thomas, SCS-INI-NET-VNC-E2E &lt;Thomas.Graf@s=
wisscom.com&gt;<br>
<b>Subject:</b>&nbsp;Re: Joint BMWG/IPPM chartering</span></p>
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<span style=3D"font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: black;">Hi all,</sp=
an></p>
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<span style=3D"font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: black;">&nbsp;</spa=
n></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin: 0in; font-family: Aptos, sans-serif=
; font-size: 12pt;">
<span style=3D"font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: black;">Thanks for =
the work already done on the charter proposal!</span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin: 0in; font-family: Aptos, sans-serif=
; font-size: 12pt;">
<span style=3D"font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: black;">From my rel=
atively narrow (and mostly IPPM-focused) point of view, the charter proposa=
l is already in good shape content-wise.</span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin: 0in; font-family: Aptos, sans-serif=
; font-size: 12pt;">
<span style=3D"font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: black;">I mainly ha=
ve some text-related consistency comments; going through them in chronologi=
cal order.</span></p>
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; font-size: 12pt;">
<span style=3D"font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: black;">&nbsp;</spa=
n></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin: 0in; font-family: Aptos, sans-serif=
; font-size: 12pt;">
<span style=3D"font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: black;">&nbsp;</spa=
n></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin: 0in; font-family: Aptos, sans-serif=
; font-size: 12pt;">
<span style=3D"font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: black;">First comme=
nt:</span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin: 0in; font-family: Aptos, sans-serif=
; font-size: 12pt;">
<span style=3D"font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: black;">The initial=
 part of the charter focuses on =93metrics, methodologies, and protocols=94=
 with two sentences.</span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin: 0in; font-family: Aptos, sans-serif=
; font-size: 12pt;">
<span style=3D"font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: black;">Those sente=
nces make sense to me and create a strong context for the charter.</span></=
p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin: 0in; font-family: Aptos, sans-serif=
; font-size: 12pt;">
<span style=3D"font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: black;">The paragra=
ph ends with a (to me) surprisingly focused sentence on metrics.</span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin: 0in; font-family: Aptos, sans-serif=
; font-size: 12pt;">
<span style=3D"font-family: &quot;Trebuchet MS&quot;, sans-serif; font-size=
: 10pt; color: rgb(14, 40, 65);">&nbsp;</span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin: 0in; font-family: Aptos, sans-serif=
; font-size: 12pt;">
<span style=3D"font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: black;">The next pa=
ragraph then focuses on methodologies.</span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin: 0in; font-family: Aptos, sans-serif=
; font-size: 12pt;">
<span style=3D"font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: black;">There is no=
 dedicated text on protocols except for briefly mentioning =93across IETF p=
rotocols=94.</span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin: 0in; font-family: Aptos, sans-serif=
; font-size: 12pt;">
<span style=3D"font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: black;">&nbsp;</spa=
n></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin: 0in; font-family: Aptos, sans-serif=
; font-size: 12pt;">
<span style=3D"font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: black;">To me, this=
 first part of the charter could be more consistent:</span></p>
<ul style=3D"margin-top: 0in; margin-bottom: 0in;">
<li style=3D"font-family: Aptos, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt; color: black;=
 margin: 0in;">
<span style=3D"font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" role=3D"presentation">Lea=
ve the first two sentences as they are to set the scope of the charter.</sp=
an></li><li style=3D"font-family: Aptos, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt; color=
: black; margin: 0in;">
<span style=3D"font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" role=3D"presentation">Mak=
e the second paragraph about providing more details about the three focus p=
oints</span></li><ul style=3D"margin-top: 0in; margin-bottom: 0in;">
<li style=3D"font-family: Aptos, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt; color: black;=
 margin: 0in;">
<span style=3D"font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" role=3D"presentation">Mov=
e the =93such metrics=94 sentence to this paragraph</span></li><li style=3D=
"font-family: Aptos, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt; color: black; margin: 0in=
;">
<span style=3D"font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" role=3D"presentation">Con=
sider adding a sentence on protocols OR rephrase the paragraph so that it t=
alks more generally about &quot;metrics, methodologies, and protocols=94 at=
 once</span></li><ul style=3D"margin-top: 0in; margin-bottom: 0in;">
<li style=3D"font-family: Aptos, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt; color: black;=
 margin: 0in;">
<span style=3D"font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" role=3D"presentation">(at=
 least to me, replacing =93such metrics=94 with =93such methodologies=94 or=
 =93such protocols=94 would equally make sense; same goes for the =93The me=
thodologies=94 sentence).</span></li><li style=3D"font-family: Aptos, sans-=
serif; font-size: 12pt; color: black; margin: 0in;">
<span style=3D"font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" role=3D"presentation">I a=
m struggling a bit to find a good word to capture the three aspects at once=
, though.&nbsp;</span></li></ul>
</ul>
</ul>
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<span style=3D"font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(14, 40, 65);">&=
nbsp;</span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin: 0in; font-family: Aptos, sans-serif=
; font-size: 12pt;">
<span style=3D"font-family: &quot;Trebuchet MS&quot;, sans-serif; font-size=
: 10pt; color: rgb(14, 40, 65);">TG&gt; Agree. The consistency can be impro=
ved.</span></p>
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; font-size: 12pt;">
<span style=3D"font-family: &quot;Trebuchet MS&quot;, sans-serif; font-size=
: 10pt; color: rgb(14, 40, 65);">&nbsp;</span></p>
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; font-size: 12pt;">
<span style=3D"font-family: &quot;Trebuchet MS&quot;, sans-serif; font-size=
: 10pt; color: rgb(14, 40, 65);">&nbsp;</span></p>
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; font-size: 12pt;">
<span style=3D"font-family: &quot;Trebuchet MS&quot;, sans-serif; font-size=
: 10pt; color: rgb(14, 40, 65);">&nbsp;</span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin: 0in; font-family: Aptos, sans-serif=
; font-size: 12pt;">
<span style=3D"font-family: &quot;Trebuchet MS&quot;, sans-serif; font-size=
: 10pt; color: rgb(14, 40, 65);">Before:</span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin: 0in; font-family: Aptos, sans-serif=
; font-size: 12pt;">
<span style=3D"font-family: &quot;Trebuchet MS&quot;, sans-serif; font-size=
: 10pt; color: rgb(14, 40, 65);">&nbsp;</span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin: 0in; font-family: Aptos, sans-serif=
; font-size: 12pt;">
<span style=3D"font-family: &quot;Trebuchet MS&quot;, sans-serif; font-size=
: 10pt; color: rgb(14, 40, 65);">&lt;remove the following from the first pa=
ragraph&gt;</span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin: 0in; font-family: Aptos, sans-serif=
; font-size: 12pt;">
<span style=3D"font-family: &quot;Trebuchet MS&quot;, sans-serif; font-size=
: 10pt; color: rgb(14, 40, 65);">&nbsp;</span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin: 0in; font-family: Aptos, sans-serif=
; font-size: 12pt;">
<span style=3D"font-family: &quot;Trebuchet MS&quot;, sans-serif; font-size=
: 10pt; color: rgb(14, 40, 65);">Such metrics are intended to provide unbia=
sed quantitative performance measurements.</span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin: 0in; font-family: Aptos, sans-serif=
; font-size: 12pt;">
<span style=3D"font-family: &quot;Trebuchet MS&quot;, sans-serif; font-size=
: 10pt; color: rgb(14, 40, 65);">&nbsp;</span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin: 0in; font-family: Aptos, sans-serif=
; font-size: 12pt;">
<span style=3D"font-family: &quot;Trebuchet MS&quot;, sans-serif; font-size=
: 10pt; color: rgb(14, 40, 65);">After:</span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin: 0in; font-family: Aptos, sans-serif=
; font-size: 12pt;">
<span style=3D"font-family: &quot;Trebuchet MS&quot;, sans-serif; font-size=
: 10pt; color: rgb(14, 40, 65);">&nbsp;</span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin: 0in; font-family: Aptos, sans-serif=
; font-size: 12pt;">
<span style=3D"font-family: &quot;Trebuchet MS&quot;, sans-serif; font-size=
: 10pt; color: rgb(14, 40, 65);">&lt;move the following to the end of the s=
econd paragraph&gt;</span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin: 0in; font-family: Aptos, sans-serif=
; font-size: 12pt;">
<span style=3D"font-family: &quot;Trebuchet MS&quot;, sans-serif; font-size=
: 10pt; color: rgb(14, 40, 65);">&nbsp;</span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin: 0in; font-family: Aptos, sans-serif=
; font-size: 12pt;">
<span style=3D"font-family: &quot;Trebuchet MS&quot;, sans-serif; font-size=
: 10pt; color: rgb(14, 40, 65);">The protocols focuses on forwarding plane =
and how they are encoded in the data plane. The metrics are intended to pro=
vide unbiased quantitative performance measurements.</span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin: 0in; font-family: Aptos, sans-serif=
; font-size: 12pt;">
<span style=3D"font-family: &quot;Trebuchet MS&quot;, sans-serif; font-size=
: 10pt; color: rgb(14, 40, 65);">&nbsp;</span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin: 0in; font-family: Aptos, sans-serif=
; font-size: 12pt;">
<span style=3D"font-family: &quot;Trebuchet MS&quot;, sans-serif; font-size=
: 10pt; color: rgb(14, 40, 65);">&nbsp;</span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin: 0in; font-family: Aptos, sans-serif=
; font-size: 12pt;">
<span style=3D"font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: black;">Adding to T=
im=92s question about security and Thomas=92 suggestion, I would propose ma=
king the =93security building blocks&quot; sentence into a dedicated paragr=
aph between the second paragraph and the final
 =93The xxxx WG fosters =85=94 sentence.</span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin: 0in; font-family: Aptos, sans-serif=
; font-size: 12pt;">
<span style=3D"font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: black;">The main re=
ason is that I think that we could provide a bit clearer context on these b=
uilding blocks.</span></p>
<blockquote style=3D"margin-top: 5pt; margin-bottom: 5pt; margin-left: 6pt;=
 padding: 0in 0in 0in 5pt; border-width: medium medium medium 2.25pt; borde=
r-style: none none none solid; border-color: currentcolor currentcolor curr=
entcolor rgb(200, 200, 200);">
<p class=3D"WordSection1" style=3D"margin: 0in;"><span style=3D"font-family=
: &quot;Trebuchet MS&quot;, sans-serif; font-size: 10pt; color: rgb(14, 40,=
 65);">Also, the WG is responsible for documenting common security building=
 blocks and guidance for methodologies and measurement
 protocols, including guidance on how to handle sensitive and vulnerable me=
trics.</span></p>
</blockquote>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin: 0in; font-family: Aptos, sans-serif=
; font-size: 12pt;">
<span style=3D"font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: black;">Specificall=
y, to me, it is not only about handling sensitive data (in a sense of prote=
cting confidentiality and privacy) but also about making sure that the meth=
odology cannot (easily) be abused
 (for which we might want to mention authentication?), that the results are=
 trustworthy (i.e., that we prevent tampering), and that the intended deplo=
yment scope is clear (especially when the WG works on both, lab and product=
ion methodologies).</span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin: 0in; font-family: Aptos, sans-serif=
; font-size: 12pt;">
<span style=3D"font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: black;">I am not su=
re if that level of detail is already too specific for a charter, but I wou=
ld at least consider adding some text along those lines.</span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin: 0in; font-family: Aptos, sans-serif=
; font-size: 12pt;">
<span style=3D"font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: black;">Also consid=
ering Greg=92s / Med=92s comments/suggestions regarding (non-)intrusive, wo=
uld this paragraph be a place to touch upon this aspect from a =93safety=94=
(?) perspective?&nbsp;</span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin: 0in; font-family: Aptos, sans-serif=
; font-size: 12pt;">
<span style=3D"font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(14, 40, 65);">&=
nbsp;</span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin: 0in; font-family: Aptos, sans-serif=
; font-size: 12pt;">
<span style=3D"font-family: &quot;Trebuchet MS&quot;, sans-serif; font-size=
: 10pt; color: rgb(14, 40, 65);">TG&gt; That makes sense to me. How about</=
span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin: 0in; font-family: Aptos, sans-serif=
; font-size: 12pt;">
<span style=3D"font-family: &quot;Trebuchet MS&quot;, sans-serif; font-size=
: 10pt; color: rgb(14, 40, 65);">&nbsp;</span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin: 0in; font-family: Aptos, sans-serif=
; font-size: 12pt;">
<span style=3D"font-family: &quot;Trebuchet MS&quot;, sans-serif; font-size=
: 10pt; color: rgb(14, 40, 65);">Before:</span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin: 0in; font-family: Aptos, sans-serif=
; font-size: 12pt;">
<span style=3D"font-family: &quot;Trebuchet MS&quot;, sans-serif; font-size=
: 10pt; color: rgb(14, 40, 65);">&nbsp;</span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin: 0in; font-family: Aptos, sans-serif=
; font-size: 12pt;">
<span style=3D"font-family: &quot;Trebuchet MS&quot;, sans-serif; font-size=
: 10pt; color: rgb(14, 40, 65);">including guidance on how to handle sensit=
ive and vulnerable metrics.</span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin: 0in; font-family: Aptos, sans-serif=
; font-size: 12pt;">
<span style=3D"font-family: &quot;Trebuchet MS&quot;, sans-serif; font-size=
: 10pt; color: rgb(14, 40, 65);">&nbsp;</span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin: 0in; font-family: Aptos, sans-serif=
; font-size: 12pt;">
<span style=3D"font-family: &quot;Trebuchet MS&quot;, sans-serif; font-size=
: 10pt; color: rgb(14, 40, 65);">After:</span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin: 0in; font-family: Aptos, sans-serif=
; font-size: 12pt;">
<span style=3D"font-family: &quot;Trebuchet MS&quot;, sans-serif; font-size=
: 10pt; color: rgb(14, 40, 65);">&nbsp;</span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin: 0in; font-family: Aptos, sans-serif=
; font-size: 12pt;">
<span style=3D"font-family: &quot;Trebuchet MS&quot;, sans-serif; font-size=
: 10pt; color: rgb(14, 40, 65);">including guidance on how to handle sensit=
ive and vulnerable metrics, that methodologies are safe and cannot be easil=
y abused, and that the results are trustworthy.</span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin: 0in; font-family: Aptos, sans-serif=
; font-size: 12pt;">
<span style=3D"font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: black;">&nbsp;</spa=
n></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin: 0in; font-family: Aptos, sans-serif=
; font-size: 12pt;">
<span style=3D"font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: black;">Second comm=
ent:</span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin: 0in; font-family: Aptos, sans-serif=
; font-size: 12pt;">
<span style=3D"font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: black;">The =93Work=
 Items=94 currently state that&nbsp;</span></p>
<blockquote style=3D"margin-top: 5pt; margin-bottom: 5pt; margin-left: 6pt;=
 padding: 0in 0in 0in 5pt; border-width: medium medium medium 2.25pt; borde=
r-style: none none none solid; border-color: currentcolor currentcolor curr=
entcolor rgb(200, 200, 200);">
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin: 0in; font-family: Aptos, sans-serif=
; font-size: 12pt;">
<span style=3D"font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: black;">The work sc=
ope is limited to metrics and methodologies&nbsp;</span></p>
</blockquote>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin: 0in; font-family: Aptos, sans-serif=
; font-size: 12pt;">
<span style=3D"font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: black;">which (in t=
he current form of the charter proposal) again leaves out protocols, especi=
ally for someone mostly skimming the charter.</span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin: 0in; font-family: Aptos, sans-serif=
; font-size: 12pt;">
<span style=3D"font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: black;">For consist=
ency reasons, I would suggest adding protocols here as well.</span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin: 0in; font-family: Aptos, sans-serif=
; font-size: 12pt;">
<span style=3D"font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(14, 40, 65);">&=
nbsp;</span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin: 0in; font-family: Aptos, sans-serif=
; font-size: 12pt;">
<span style=3D"font-family: &quot;Trebuchet MS&quot;, sans-serif; font-size=
: 10pt; color: rgb(14, 40, 65);">TG&gt; Makes sense. How about:</span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin: 0in; font-family: Aptos, sans-serif=
; font-size: 12pt;">
<span style=3D"font-family: &quot;Trebuchet MS&quot;, sans-serif; font-size=
: 10pt; color: rgb(14, 40, 65);">&nbsp;</span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin: 0in; font-family: Aptos, sans-serif=
; font-size: 12pt;">
<span style=3D"font-family: &quot;Trebuchet MS&quot;, sans-serif; font-size=
: 10pt; color: rgb(14, 40, 65);">Before:</span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin: 0in; font-family: Aptos, sans-serif=
; font-size: 12pt;">
<span style=3D"font-family: &quot;Trebuchet MS&quot;, sans-serif; font-size=
: 10pt; color: rgb(14, 40, 65);">&nbsp;</span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin: 0in; font-family: Aptos, sans-serif=
; font-size: 12pt;">
<span style=3D"font-family: &quot;Trebuchet MS&quot;, sans-serif; font-size=
: 10pt; color: rgb(14, 40, 65);">The work scope is limited to metrics and m=
ethodologies</span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin: 0in; font-family: Aptos, sans-serif=
; font-size: 12pt;">
<span style=3D"font-family: &quot;Trebuchet MS&quot;, sans-serif; font-size=
: 10pt; color: rgb(14, 40, 65);">&nbsp;</span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin: 0in; font-family: Aptos, sans-serif=
; font-size: 12pt;">
<span style=3D"font-family: &quot;Trebuchet MS&quot;, sans-serif; font-size=
: 10pt; color: rgb(14, 40, 65);">After:</span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin: 0in; font-family: Aptos, sans-serif=
; font-size: 12pt;">
<span style=3D"font-family: &quot;Trebuchet MS&quot;, sans-serif; font-size=
: 10pt; color: rgb(14, 40, 65);">&nbsp;</span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin: 0in; font-family: Aptos, sans-serif=
; font-size: 12pt;">
<span style=3D"font-family: &quot;Trebuchet MS&quot;, sans-serif; font-size=
: 10pt; color: rgb(14, 40, 65);">The work scope is limited to protocols, me=
trics and methodologies</span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin: 0in; font-family: Aptos, sans-serif=
; font-size: 12pt;">
<span style=3D"font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: black;">&nbsp;</spa=
n></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin: 0in; font-family: Aptos, sans-serif=
; font-size: 12pt;">
<span style=3D"font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: black;">Third comme=
nt:</span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin: 0in; font-family: Aptos, sans-serif=
; font-size: 12pt;">
<span style=3D"font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: black;">Lastly, reg=
arding Tim=92s comment/ Thomas=92s suggestion</span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin: 0in; font-family: Aptos, sans-serif=
; font-size: 12pt;">
<span style=3D"font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: black;">&nbsp;</spa=
n></p>
<blockquote style=3D"margin-top: 5pt; margin-bottom: 5pt; margin-left: 6pt;=
 padding: 0in 0in 0in 5pt; border-width: medium medium medium 2.25pt; borde=
r-style: none none none solid; border-color: currentcolor currentcolor curr=
entcolor rgb(200, 200, 200);">
<p class=3D"WordSection1" style=3D"margin: 0in;"><span style=3D"color: blac=
k;">I assume the nature of the work in
</span><span style=3D"color: blue;"><a href=3D"https://datatracker.ietf.org=
/doc/draft-ietf-ippm-qoo/" data-outlook-id=3D"2ff2e031-c779-41db-b24e-9ee32=
cd18201" style=3D"color: blue; margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px;"><u>htt=
ps://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-ippm-qoo/</u></a></span><span styl=
e=3D"color: black;">&nbsp;remains
 covered by the new charter. The text doesn=92t explicitly mention quality =
assessment frameworks and scoring. &nbsp;</span></p>
<p class=3D"WordSection1" style=3D"margin: 0in;"><span style=3D"color: blac=
k;">&nbsp;</span></p>
<p class=3D"WordSection1" style=3D"margin: 0in;"><span style=3D"color: blac=
k;">Second, it would be a nice nod to Dave T=E4ht to explicitly mention buf=
ferbloat detection in the charter, with related work like in particular
</span><span style=3D"color: blue;"><a href=3D"https://datatracker.ietf.org=
/doc/draft-ietf-ippm-responsiveness/" data-outlook-id=3D"c6c50e4c-39d4-4574=
-b8e1-67d09e3a06d1" style=3D"color: blue; margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0=
px;"><u>https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-ippm-responsiveness/</u=
></a></span><span style=3D"color: black;">.</span></p>
<p class=3D"WordSection1" style=3D"margin: 0in;"><span style=3D"font-family=
: &quot;Trebuchet MS&quot;, sans-serif; font-size: 10pt; color: rgb(14, 40,=
 65);">&nbsp;</span></p>
<p class=3D"WordSection1" style=3D"margin: 0in;"><span style=3D"font-family=
: &quot;Trebuchet MS&quot;, sans-serif; font-size: 10pt; color: rgb(14, 40,=
 65);">TG&gt; Both are good points which should be clearly mentioned. How a=
bout</span></p>
<p class=3D"WordSection1" style=3D"margin: 0in;"><span style=3D"font-family=
: &quot;Trebuchet MS&quot;, sans-serif; font-size: 10pt; color: rgb(14, 40,=
 65);">&nbsp;</span></p>
<p class=3D"WordSection1" style=3D"margin: 0in;"><span style=3D"font-family=
: &quot;Trebuchet MS&quot;, sans-serif; font-size: 10pt; color: rgb(14, 40,=
 65);">Before:</span></p>
<p class=3D"WordSection1" style=3D"margin: 0in;"><span style=3D"font-family=
: &quot;Trebuchet MS&quot;, sans-serif; font-size: 10pt; color: rgb(14, 40,=
 65);">&nbsp;</span></p>
<p class=3D"WordSection1" style=3D"margin: 0in;"><span style=3D"font-family=
: &quot;Trebuchet MS&quot;, sans-serif; font-size: 10pt; color: rgb(14, 40,=
 65);">The WG will also produce terminology documents and recommendations c=
oncerning the key performance characteristics of
 internetworking technologies, or benchmarks for network devices, systems, =
and services.</span></p>
<p class=3D"WordSection1" style=3D"margin: 0in;"><span style=3D"font-family=
: &quot;Trebuchet MS&quot;, sans-serif; font-size: 10pt; color: rgb(14, 40,=
 65);">&nbsp;</span></p>
<p class=3D"WordSection1" style=3D"margin: 0in;"><span style=3D"font-family=
: &quot;Trebuchet MS&quot;, sans-serif; font-size: 10pt; color: rgb(14, 40,=
 65);">After:</span></p>
<p class=3D"WordSection1" style=3D"margin: 0in;"><span style=3D"font-family=
: &quot;Trebuchet MS&quot;, sans-serif; font-size: 10pt; color: rgb(14, 40,=
 65);">&nbsp;</span></p>
<p class=3D"WordSection1" style=3D"margin: 0in;"><span style=3D"font-family=
: &quot;Trebuchet MS&quot;, sans-serif; font-size: 10pt; color: rgb(14, 40,=
 65);">The WG will also produce terminology documents and recommendations c=
oncerning the key performance characteristics of
 internetworking technologies, or benchmarks for network devices, systems, =
and services. This includes also quality assessment frameworks, scoring, an=
d bufferbloat detection.</span></p>
</blockquote>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin: 0in; font-family: Aptos, sans-serif=
; font-size: 12pt;">
<span style=3D"font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: black;">&nbsp;</spa=
n></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin: 0in; font-family: Aptos, sans-serif=
; font-size: 12pt;">
<span style=3D"font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: black;">Speaking as=
 the editor of the QoO draft, I would have seen QoO in scope of the propose=
d charter already through the first sentence of the charter:</span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin: 0in; font-family: Aptos, sans-serif=
; font-size: 12pt;">
<span style=3D"font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: black;">&nbsp;</spa=
n></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin: 0in; font-family: Aptos, sans-serif=
; font-size: 12pt;">
<span style=3D"font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: black;">=93[..] dev=
elops [..] methodologies [..] that can be applied to the quality [and] perf=
ormance [..] of applications [..]=94.</span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin: 0in; font-family: Aptos, sans-serif=
; font-size: 12pt;">
<span style=3D"font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: black;">&nbsp;</spa=
n></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin: 0in; font-family: Aptos, sans-serif=
; font-size: 12pt;">
<span style=3D"font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: black;">That being =
said, I do like the nod to Dave and the more explicit mentioning of quality=
 assessment.</span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin: 0in; font-family: Aptos, sans-serif=
; font-size: 12pt;">
<span style=3D"font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: black;">However, th=
e latter adds a bit of redundancy (quality /&nbsp;perf. characteristics; as=
sessment /&nbsp;scoring) and the exact meaning of the first sentence was an=
d still is a bit ambiguous to me.</span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin: 0in; font-family: Aptos, sans-serif=
; font-size: 12pt;">
<span style=3D"font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: black;">Is this abo=
ut&nbsp;</span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin: 0in; font-family: Aptos, sans-serif=
; font-size: 12pt;">
<span style=3D"font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: black;">&nbsp;</spa=
n></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin: 0in; font-family: Aptos, sans-serif=
; font-size: 12pt;">
<span style=3D"font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: black;">=93produce =
terminology documents and recommendations about 1) KPIs of internetworking =
tech and 2) benchmarks=94</span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin: 0in; font-family: Aptos, sans-serif=
; font-size: 12pt;">
<span style=3D"font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: black;">&nbsp;</spa=
n></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin: 0in; font-family: Aptos, sans-serif=
; font-size: 12pt;">
<span style=3D"font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: black;">or is this =
about&nbsp;</span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin: 0in; font-family: Aptos, sans-serif=
; font-size: 12pt;">
<span style=3D"font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: black;">&nbsp;</spa=
n></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin: 0in; font-family: Aptos, sans-serif=
; font-size: 12pt;">
<span style=3D"font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: black;">=93KPIs of =
internetworking tech and benchmarks=94?</span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin: 0in; font-family: Aptos, sans-serif=
; font-size: 12pt;">
<span style=3D"font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: black;">&nbsp;</spa=
n></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin: 0in; font-family: Aptos, sans-serif=
; font-size: 12pt;">
<span style=3D"font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: black;">I am pretty=
 sure it=92s the first one but I also see the possibility of someone interp=
reting it as the second one.</span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin: 0in; font-family: Aptos, sans-serif=
; font-size: 12pt;">
<span style=3D"font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: black;">Maybe the f=
ollowing suggestion could tackle both the redundancy and the ambiguity?</sp=
an></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin: 0in; font-family: Aptos, sans-serif=
; font-size: 12pt;">
<span style=3D"font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: black;">&nbsp;</spa=
n></p>
<ul style=3D"margin-top: 0in; margin-bottom: 0in;">
<li style=3D"font-family: Aptos, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt; color: black;=
 margin: 0in;">
<span style=3D"font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" role=3D"presentation">The=
 WG will also produce terminology documents and recommendations on key perf=
ormance characteristics of internetworking technologies, on frameworks for =
assessing these characteristics, and
 on benchmarks for network devices, systems, and services, including relate=
d topics such as bufferbloat detection.</span></li></ul>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin: 0in; font-family: Aptos, sans-serif=
; font-size: 12pt;">
<span style=3D"font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: black;">&nbsp;</spa=
n></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin: 0in; font-family: Aptos, sans-serif=
; font-size: 12pt;">
<span style=3D"font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(14, 40, 65);">T=
G&gt; That proposal makes perfectly sense to me.
</span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin: 0in; font-family: Aptos, sans-serif=
; font-size: 12pt;">
<span style=3D"font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: black;">&nbsp;</spa=
n></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin: 0in; font-family: Aptos, sans-serif=
; font-size: 12pt;">
<span style=3D"font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: black;">As I said i=
n the beginning, I think that the charter is already in good shape, so plea=
se see my comments as additional suggestions that might help making the cha=
rter a bit more precise and easier
 to understand.</span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin: 0in; font-family: Aptos, sans-serif=
; font-size: 12pt;">
<span style=3D"font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: black;">&nbsp;</spa=
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; font-size: 12pt;">
<span style=3D"font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: black;">Thanks!</sp=
an></p>
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; font-size: 12pt;">
<span style=3D"font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: black;">Cheers,</sp=
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<span style=3D"font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: black;">Ike</span><=
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-style: solid none none; border-color: currentcolor;">
<blockquote style=3D"margin-top: 5pt; margin-bottom: 5pt; margin-left: 6pt;=
 padding: 0in 0in 0in 5pt; border-width: medium medium medium 2.25pt; borde=
r-style: none none none solid; border-color: currentcolor currentcolor curr=
entcolor rgb(200, 200, 200);">
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin: 0in; font-family: Aptos, sans-serif=
; font-size: 12pt;">
<span style=3D"color: black;"><b>From: </b></span><span style=3D"color: blu=
e;"><a href=3D"mailto:Thomas.Graf-Zc0CTiu5wcBWk0Htik3J/[email protected]" data-outlook-id=3D"14e30236=
-3ada-49b7-9005-65f57705928b" style=3D"color: blue; margin-top: 0px; margin=
-bottom: 0px;"><u>Thomas.Graf-Zc0CTiu5wcBWk0Htik3J/[email protected]</u></a></span><span style=3D"col=
or: black;">&nbsp;&lt;</span><span style=3D"color: blue;"><a href=3D"mailto=
:Thomas.Graf-Zc0CTiu5wcBWk0Htik3J/[email protected]" data-outlook-id=3D"f317944c-2758-4c20-96a5-f3660=
f6864dd" style=3D"color: blue; margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px;"><u>Tho=
mas.Graf-Zc0CTiu5wcBWk0Htik3J/[email protected]</u></a></span><span style=3D"color: black;">&gt;</spa=
n></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin: 0in; font-family: Aptos, sans-serif=
; font-size: 12pt;">
<span style=3D"color: black;"><b>Date: </b>Saturday, 23 May 2026 at 07:38</=
span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin: 0in; font-family: Aptos, sans-serif=
; font-size: 12pt;">
<span style=3D"color: black;"><b>To: </b></span><span style=3D"color: blue;=
"><a href=3D"mailto:[email protected]" data-outlook-id=3D"2c3c2415-75a3-=
4c4c-b80c-fd7ab60de927" style=3D"color: blue; margin-top: 0px; margin-botto=
m: 0px;"><u>[email protected]</u></a></span><span style=3D"color: black;=
">&nbsp;&lt;</span><span style=3D"color: blue;"><a href=3D"mailto:Tim.Chown=
@jisc.ac.uk" data-outlook-id=3D"76497f02-3d24-4c72-bc9b-10de48c7655b" style=
=3D"color: blue; margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px;"><u>[email protected]=
.uk</u></a></span><span style=3D"color: black;">&gt;;
</span><span style=3D"color: blue;"><a href=3D"mailto:[email protected]" data-o=
utlook-id=3D"6f3d9cd0-dd9b-4cc3-9f8c-e8a6f8d58797" style=3D"color: blue; ma=
rgin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px;"><u>[email protected]</u></a></span><span st=
yle=3D"color: black;">&nbsp;&lt;</span><span style=3D"color: blue;"><a href=
=3D"mailto:[email protected]" data-outlook-id=3D"8d65eae6-3804-4057-9f6c-427d55=
947301" style=3D"color: blue; margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px;"><u>ippm=
@ietf.org</u></a></span><span style=3D"color: black;">&gt;;
</span><span style=3D"color: blue;"><a href=3D"mailto:[email protected]" data-o=
utlook-id=3D"fdfc947c-f3c4-42bf-b26f-040bb3527e48" style=3D"color: blue; ma=
rgin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px;"><u>[email protected]</u></a></span><span st=
yle=3D"color: black;">&nbsp;&lt;</span><span style=3D"color: blue;"><a href=
=3D"mailto:[email protected]" data-outlook-id=3D"b5c0cbc9-56ac-43be-934c-eb7dcf=
011a0a" style=3D"color: blue; margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px;"><u>bmwg=
@ietf.org</u></a></span><span style=3D"color: black;">&gt;</span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin: 0in; font-family: Aptos, sans-serif=
; font-size: 12pt;">
<span style=3D"color: black;"><b>Cc: </b></span><span style=3D"color: blue;=
"><a href=3D"mailto:[email protected]" data-outlook-id=3D"2aca84a6-ddd5-=
4599-aa6a-7aed6ef83ac5" style=3D"color: blue; margin-top: 0px; margin-botto=
m: 0px;"><u>[email protected]</u></a></span><span style=3D"color: black;=
">&nbsp;&lt;</span><span style=3D"color: blue;"><a href=3D"mailto:ippm-chai=
[email protected]" data-outlook-id=3D"57b60dd3-776a-419b-9ddf-db65e8ae8945" style=
=3D"color: blue; margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px;"><u>ippm-chairs@ietf.=
org</u></a></span><span style=3D"color: black;">&gt;;
</span><span style=3D"color: blue;"><a href=3D"mailto:[email protected]"=
 data-outlook-id=3D"13860792-9945-4a8a-9efa-b6c4365053b2" style=3D"color: b=
lue; margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px;"><u>[email protected]</u></a><=
/span><span style=3D"color: black;">&nbsp;&lt;</span><span style=3D"color: =
blue;"><a href=3D"mailto:[email protected]" data-outlook-id=3D"1e8d65eb-=
f188-40e1-90e1-cb4fe68fae53" style=3D"color: blue; margin-top: 0px; margin-=
bottom: 0px;"><u>[email protected]</u></a></span><span style=3D"color: b=
lack;">&gt;;
</span><span style=3D"color: blue;"><a href=3D"mailto:[email protected]" dat=
a-outlook-id=3D"790993ec-49cc-49c6-b9a9-82114b8fa7a3" style=3D"color: blue;=
 margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px;"><u>[email protected]</u></a></span><s=
pan style=3D"color: black;">&nbsp;&lt;</span><span style=3D"color: blue;"><=
a href=3D"mailto:[email protected]" data-outlook-id=3D"c5e137ea-b47b-4cc4-ae=
46-0fc177321e36" style=3D"color: blue; margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px;=
"><u>[email protected]</u></a></span><span style=3D"color: black;">&gt;</spa=
n></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin: 0in; font-family: Aptos, sans-serif=
; font-size: 12pt;">
<span style=3D"color: black;"><b>Subject: </b>[ippm] Re: Joint BMWG/IPPM ch=
artering</span></p>
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; font-size: 12pt;">
<span style=3D"color: black;">&nbsp;</span></p>
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color: rgb(156, 101, 0);">
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5, 235, 156); margin: 0in; font-family: Aptos, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt;=
">
<span style=3D"font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; font-size: 10pt; color: rg=
b(156, 101, 0);">CAUTION:</span><span style=3D"font-family: Calibri, sans-s=
erif; font-size: 10pt; color: black;">&nbsp;This email originated from outs=
ide of the organization. Do not click links
 or open attachments unless you recognize the sender and know the content i=
s safe.</span></p>
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; font-size: 12pt;">
&nbsp;</p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin: 0in; font-family: Aptos, sans-serif=
; font-size: 12pt;">
<span style=3D"font-family: &quot;Trebuchet MS&quot;, sans-serif; font-size=
: 10pt; color: rgb(14, 40, 65);">Dear Tim,</span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin: 0in; font-family: Aptos, sans-serif=
; font-size: 12pt;">
<span style=3D"font-family: &quot;Trebuchet MS&quot;, sans-serif; font-size=
: 10pt; color: rgb(14, 40, 65);">&nbsp;</span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin: 0in; font-family: Aptos, sans-serif=
; font-size: 12pt;">
<span style=3D"font-family: &quot;Trebuchet MS&quot;, sans-serif; font-size=
: 10pt; color: rgb(14, 40, 65);">We are about to prepare another charter pr=
oposal update. I would appreciate if you could review my proposal.</span></=
p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin: 0in; font-family: Aptos, sans-serif=
; font-size: 12pt;">
<span style=3D"font-family: &quot;Trebuchet MS&quot;, sans-serif; font-size=
: 10pt; color: rgb(14, 40, 65);">&nbsp;</span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin: 0in; font-family: Aptos, sans-serif=
; font-size: 12pt;">
<span style=3D"font-family: &quot;Trebuchet MS&quot;, sans-serif; font-size=
: 10pt; color: rgb(14, 40, 65);">And of course, anybody else on the mailing=
 list who likes to comment or has different suggestions, please join the co=
nversation.</span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin: 0in; font-family: Aptos, sans-serif=
; font-size: 12pt;">
<span style=3D"font-family: &quot;Trebuchet MS&quot;, sans-serif; font-size=
: 10pt; color: rgb(14, 40, 65);">&nbsp;</span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin: 0in; font-family: Aptos, sans-serif=
; font-size: 12pt;">
<span style=3D"font-family: &quot;Trebuchet MS&quot;, sans-serif; font-size=
: 10pt; color: rgb(14, 40, 65);">Best wishes</span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin: 0in; font-family: Aptos, sans-serif=
; font-size: 12pt;">
<span style=3D"font-family: &quot;Trebuchet MS&quot;, sans-serif; font-size=
: 10pt; color: rgb(14, 40, 65);">Thomas</span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin: 0in; font-family: Aptos, sans-serif=
; font-size: 12pt;">
<span style=3D"font-family: &quot;Trebuchet MS&quot;, sans-serif; font-size=
: 10pt; color: rgb(14, 40, 65);">&nbsp;</span></p>
</blockquote>
<div style=3D"padding: 3pt 0in 0in; border-width: 1pt medium medium; border=
-style: solid none none; border-color: currentcolor;">
<blockquote style=3D"margin-top: 5pt; margin-bottom: 5pt; margin-left: 6pt;=
 padding: 0in 0in 0in 5pt; border-width: medium medium medium 2.25pt; borde=
r-style: none none none solid; border-color: currentcolor currentcolor curr=
entcolor rgb(200, 200, 200);">
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin: 0in; font-family: Aptos, sans-serif=
; font-size: 12pt;">
<span style=3D"font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; font-size: 11pt;"><b>From:=
</b>&nbsp;Graf Thomas, SCS-INI-NET-VNC-E2E</span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin: 0in; font-family: Aptos, sans-serif=
; font-size: 12pt;">
<span style=3D"font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; font-size: 11pt;"><b>Sent:=
</b>&nbsp;Friday, May 1, 2026 9:32 AM</span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin: 0in; font-family: Aptos, sans-serif=
; font-size: 12pt;">
<span style=3D"font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; font-size: 11pt;"><b>To:</=
b>&nbsp;'Tim Chown' &lt;</span><span style=3D"font-family: Calibri, sans-se=
rif; font-size: 11pt; color: blue;"><a href=3D"mailto:[email protected]"=
 data-outlook-id=3D"df18610f-3ea5-4829-ab92-58deb4dc12c6" style=3D"color: b=
lue; margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px;"><u>[email protected]</u></a><=
/span><span style=3D"font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; font-size: 11pt;">&g=
t;;
</span><span style=3D"font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; font-size: 11pt; co=
lor: blue;"><a href=3D"mailto:[email protected]" data-outlook-id=3D"66ef63fb-33=
b2-41b7-8ebf-198f5059d981" style=3D"color: blue; margin-top: 0px; margin-bo=
ttom: 0px;"><u>[email protected]</u></a></span><span style=3D"font-family: Cali=
bri, sans-serif; font-size: 11pt;">;
</span><span style=3D"font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; font-size: 11pt; co=
lor: blue;"><a href=3D"mailto:[email protected]" data-outlook-id=3D"fc927e65-d7=
6c-48b6-a812-f4097dc2de19" style=3D"color: blue; margin-top: 0px; margin-bo=
ttom: 0px;"><u>[email protected]</u></a></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin: 0in; font-family: Aptos, sans-serif=
; font-size: 12pt;">
<span style=3D"font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; font-size: 11pt;"><b>Cc:</=
b>&nbsp;</span><span style=3D"font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; font-size: =
11pt; color: blue;"><a href=3D"mailto:[email protected]" data-outlook-id=
=3D"1826b40d-2b22-4f25-bd17-83179c6cc738" style=3D"color: blue; margin-top:=
 0px; margin-bottom: 0px;"><u>[email protected]</u></a></span><span styl=
e=3D"font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; font-size: 11pt;">;
</span><span style=3D"font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; font-size: 11pt; co=
lor: blue;"><a href=3D"mailto:[email protected]" data-outlook-id=3D"9f30=
1ed9-747f-4828-b8e6-d2a1018cc6a8" style=3D"color: blue; margin-top: 0px; ma=
rgin-bottom: 0px;"><u>[email protected]</u></a></span><span style=3D"fon=
t-family: Calibri, sans-serif; font-size: 11pt;">;
</span><span style=3D"font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; font-size: 11pt; co=
lor: blue;"><a href=3D"mailto:[email protected]" data-outlook-id=3D"ad6997c1=
-dea2-4e98-acee-4e330457a745" style=3D"color: blue; margin-top: 0px; margin=
-bottom: 0px;"><u>[email protected]</u></a></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin: 0in; font-family: Aptos, sans-serif=
; font-size: 12pt;">
<span style=3D"font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; font-size: 11pt;"><b>Subje=
ct:</b>&nbsp;RE: Joint BMWG/IPPM chartering</span></p>
</blockquote>
</div>
<blockquote style=3D"margin-top: 5pt; margin-bottom: 5pt; margin-left: 6pt;=
 padding: 0in 0in 0in 5pt; border-width: medium medium medium 2.25pt; borde=
r-style: none none none solid; border-color: currentcolor currentcolor curr=
entcolor rgb(200, 200, 200);">
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin: 0in; font-family: Aptos, sans-serif=
; font-size: 12pt;">
&nbsp;</p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin: 0in; font-family: Aptos, sans-serif=
; font-size: 12pt;">
<span style=3D"font-family: &quot;Trebuchet MS&quot;, sans-serif; font-size=
: 10pt; color: rgb(14, 40, 65);">Dear Tim,</span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin: 0in; font-family: Aptos, sans-serif=
; font-size: 12pt;">
<span style=3D"font-family: &quot;Trebuchet MS&quot;, sans-serif; font-size=
: 10pt; color: rgb(14, 40, 65);">&nbsp;</span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin: 0in; font-family: Aptos, sans-serif=
; font-size: 12pt;">
<span style=3D"font-family: &quot;Trebuchet MS&quot;, sans-serif; font-size=
: 10pt; color: rgb(14, 40, 65);">Thanks a lot! These are very good points. =
As an individual, see inline my feedback and proposals how to address this =
in the proposed charter.</span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin: 0in; font-family: Aptos, sans-serif=
; font-size: 12pt;">
<span style=3D"font-family: &quot;Trebuchet MS&quot;, sans-serif; font-size=
: 10pt; color: rgb(14, 40, 65);">&nbsp;</span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin: 0in; font-family: Aptos, sans-serif=
; font-size: 12pt;">
<span style=3D"font-family: &quot;Trebuchet MS&quot;, sans-serif; font-size=
: 10pt; color: rgb(14, 40, 65);">Best wishes</span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin: 0in; font-family: Aptos, sans-serif=
; font-size: 12pt;">
<span style=3D"font-family: &quot;Trebuchet MS&quot;, sans-serif; font-size=
: 10pt; color: rgb(14, 40, 65);">Thomas</span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin: 0in; font-family: Aptos, sans-serif=
; font-size: 12pt;">
<span style=3D"font-family: &quot;Trebuchet MS&quot;, sans-serif; font-size=
: 10pt; color: rgb(14, 40, 65);">&nbsp;</span></p>
</blockquote>
<div style=3D"padding: 3pt 0in 0in; border-width: 1pt medium medium; border=
-style: solid none none; border-color: currentcolor;">
<blockquote style=3D"margin-top: 5pt; margin-bottom: 5pt; margin-left: 6pt;=
 padding: 0in 0in 0in 5pt; border-width: medium medium medium 2.25pt; borde=
r-style: none none none solid; border-color: currentcolor currentcolor curr=
entcolor rgb(200, 200, 200);">
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin: 0in; font-family: Aptos, sans-serif=
; font-size: 12pt;">
<span style=3D"font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; font-size: 11pt;"><b>From:=
</b>&nbsp;Tim Chown &lt;</span><span style=3D"font-family: Calibri, sans-se=
rif; font-size: 11pt; color: blue;"><a href=3D"mailto:[email protected]"=
 data-outlook-id=3D"cbcc354a-aca4-4fdf-a7ad-2276a9082d12" style=3D"color: b=
lue; margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px;"><u>[email protected]</u></a><=
/span><span style=3D"font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; font-size: 11pt;">&g=
t;</span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin: 0in; font-family: Aptos, sans-serif=
; font-size: 12pt;">
<span style=3D"font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; font-size: 11pt;"><b>Sent:=
</b>&nbsp;Monday, April 27, 2026 11:20 AM</span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin: 0in; font-family: Aptos, sans-serif=
; font-size: 12pt;">
<span style=3D"font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; font-size: 11pt;"><b>To:</=
b>&nbsp;Graf Thomas, SCS-INI-NET-VNC-E2E &lt;</span><span style=3D"font-fam=
ily: Calibri, sans-serif; font-size: 11pt; color: blue;"><a href=3D"mailto:=
Thomas.Graf-Zc0CTiu5wcBWk0Htik3J/[email protected]" data-outlook-id=3D"b8f7874d-f1cf-46e6-9fe9-5cc3f0=
cee15e" style=3D"color: blue; margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px;"><u>Thom=
as.Graf-Zc0CTiu5wcBWk0Htik3J/[email protected]</u></a></span><span style=3D"font-family: Calibri, san=
s-serif; font-size: 11pt;">&gt;;
</span><span style=3D"font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; font-size: 11pt; co=
lor: blue;"><a href=3D"mailto:[email protected]" data-outlook-id=3D"e158cbea-ae=
31-4d2b-9a9e-b6a92728e21c" style=3D"color: blue; margin-top: 0px; margin-bo=
ttom: 0px;"><u>[email protected]</u></a></span><span style=3D"font-family: Cali=
bri, sans-serif; font-size: 11pt;">;
</span><span style=3D"font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; font-size: 11pt; co=
lor: blue;"><a href=3D"mailto:[email protected]" data-outlook-id=3D"37926f84-b7=
e8-429f-87fd-76d0564f0227" style=3D"color: blue; margin-top: 0px; margin-bo=
ttom: 0px;"><u>[email protected]</u></a></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin: 0in; font-family: Aptos, sans-serif=
; font-size: 12pt;">
<span style=3D"font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; font-size: 11pt;"><b>Cc:</=
b> </span>
<span style=3D"font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; font-size: 11pt; color: bl=
ue;"><a href=3D"mailto:[email protected]" data-outlook-id=3D"db98a20a-46=
a6-43d3-9ad5-3f1615ccdc93" style=3D"color: blue; margin-top: 0px; margin-bo=
ttom: 0px;"><u>[email protected]</u></a></span><span style=3D"font-famil=
y: Calibri, sans-serif; font-size: 11pt;">;
</span><span style=3D"font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; font-size: 11pt; co=
lor: blue;"><a href=3D"mailto:[email protected]" data-outlook-id=3D"9ecf=
8178-a1b4-40f3-a7f6-4b941b9f976b" style=3D"color: blue; margin-top: 0px; ma=
rgin-bottom: 0px;"><u>[email protected]</u></a></span><span style=3D"fon=
t-family: Calibri, sans-serif; font-size: 11pt;">;
</span><span style=3D"font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; font-size: 11pt; co=
lor: blue;"><a href=3D"mailto:[email protected]" data-outlook-id=3D"ae5ea52c=
-304b-41c1-a5b5-dffb2ac8aa55" style=3D"color: blue; margin-top: 0px; margin=
-bottom: 0px;"><u>[email protected]</u></a></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin: 0in; font-family: Aptos, sans-serif=
; font-size: 12pt;">
<span style=3D"font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; font-size: 11pt;"><b>Subje=
ct:</b>&nbsp;Re: Joint BMWG/IPPM chartering</span></p>
</blockquote>
</div>
<blockquote style=3D"margin-top: 5pt; margin-bottom: 5pt; margin-left: 6pt;=
 padding: 0in 0in 0in 5pt; border-width: medium medium medium 2.25pt; borde=
r-style: none none none solid; border-color: currentcolor currentcolor curr=
entcolor rgb(200, 200, 200);">
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin: 0in; font-family: Aptos, sans-serif=
; font-size: 12pt;">
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<span style=3D"color: black;">Hi,</span></p>
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<span style=3D"color: black;">&nbsp;</span></p>
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<span style=3D"color: black;">I think this is a good, firm strawman and som=
ething that should definitely be taken forward. Thank you for the work in g=
etting this far.</span></p>
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<span style=3D"color: black;">&nbsp;</span></p>
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<span style=3D"color: black;">A few comments=85</span></p>
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<span style=3D"color: black;">&nbsp;</span></p>
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<span style=3D"color: black;">I don't understand the &quot;</span><span sty=
le=3D"color: black; background-color: white;">the WG is responsible for doc=
umenting common security building blocks and guidance=94&nbsp;line. What ar=
e these building blocks? &nbsp;To someone just reading
 this charter, it=92s not clear. &nbsp;Security of measurement protocols? &=
nbsp;Measurement of security appliances? &nbsp;Something else?</span></p>
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; font-size: 12pt;">
<span style=3D"color: rgb(14, 40, 65);">&nbsp;</span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin: 0in; font-family: Aptos, sans-serif=
; font-size: 12pt;">
<span style=3D"font-family: &quot;Trebuchet MS&quot;, sans-serif; font-size=
: 10pt; color: rgb(14, 40, 65);">TG&gt; Correct. This needs to be set into =
context. How about</span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin: 0in; font-family: Aptos, sans-serif=
; font-size: 12pt;">
<span style=3D"font-family: &quot;Trebuchet MS&quot;, sans-serif; font-size=
: 10pt; color: rgb(14, 40, 65);">&nbsp;</span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin: 0in; font-family: Aptos, sans-serif=
; font-size: 12pt;">
<span style=3D"font-family: &quot;Trebuchet MS&quot;, sans-serif; font-size=
: 10pt; color: rgb(14, 40, 65);">Before:</span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin: 0in; font-family: Aptos, sans-serif=
; font-size: 12pt;">
<span style=3D"font-family: &quot;Trebuchet MS&quot;, sans-serif; font-size=
: 10pt; color: rgb(14, 40, 65);">&nbsp;</span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin: 0in; font-family: Aptos, sans-serif=
; font-size: 12pt;">
<span style=3D"font-family: &quot;Trebuchet MS&quot;, sans-serif; font-size=
: 10pt; color: rgb(14, 40, 65);">The xxxx WG fosters commonality and compar=
ability of metrics and measurements across IETF protocols at different laye=
rs. Also, the WG is responsible for documenting
 common security building blocks and guidance.</span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin: 0in; font-family: Aptos, sans-serif=
; font-size: 12pt;">
<span style=3D"font-family: &quot;Trebuchet MS&quot;, sans-serif; font-size=
: 10pt; color: rgb(14, 40, 65);">&nbsp;</span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin: 0in; font-family: Aptos, sans-serif=
; font-size: 12pt;">
<span style=3D"font-family: &quot;Trebuchet MS&quot;, sans-serif; font-size=
: 10pt; color: rgb(14, 40, 65);">After:</span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin: 0in; font-family: Aptos, sans-serif=
; font-size: 12pt;">
<span style=3D"font-family: &quot;Trebuchet MS&quot;, sans-serif; font-size=
: 10pt; color: rgb(14, 40, 65);">&nbsp;</span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin: 0in; font-family: Aptos, sans-serif=
; font-size: 12pt;">
<span style=3D"font-family: &quot;Trebuchet MS&quot;, sans-serif; font-size=
: 10pt; color: rgb(14, 40, 65);">The xxxx WG fosters commonality and compar=
ability of metrics and measurements across IETF protocols at different laye=
rs. Also, the WG is responsible for documenting
 common security building blocks and guidance for methodologies and measure=
ment protocols, including guidance on how to handle sensitive and vulnerabl=
e metrics.</span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin: 0in; font-family: Aptos, sans-serif=
; font-size: 12pt;">
<span style=3D"font-family: &quot;Trebuchet MS&quot;, sans-serif; font-size=
: 10pt; color: rgb(14, 40, 65);">&nbsp;</span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin: 0in; font-family: Aptos, sans-serif=
; font-size: 12pt;">
<span style=3D"font-family: &quot;Trebuchet MS&quot;, sans-serif; font-size=
: 10pt; color: rgb(14, 40, 65);">&nbsp;</span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin: 0in; font-family: Aptos, sans-serif=
; font-size: 12pt;">
<span style=3D"color: black;">I assume the nature of the work in </span><sp=
an style=3D"color: blue;"><a href=3D"https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft=
-ietf-ippm-qoo/" data-outlook-id=3D"7474bfdf-e4b0-4ef9-83c3-3f0833694aeb" s=
tyle=3D"color: blue; margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px;"><u>https://datat=
racker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-ippm-qoo/</u></a></span><span style=3D"color=
: black;">&nbsp;remains
 covered by the new charter. The text doesn=92t explicitly mention quality =
assessment frameworks and scoring. &nbsp;</span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin: 0in; font-family: Aptos, sans-serif=
; font-size: 12pt;">
<span style=3D"color: black;">&nbsp;</span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin: 0in; font-family: Aptos, sans-serif=
; font-size: 12pt;">
<span style=3D"color: black;">Second, it would be a nice nod to Dave T=E4ht=
 to explicitly mention bufferbloat detection in the charter, with related w=
ork like in particular
</span><span style=3D"color: blue;"><a href=3D"https://datatracker.ietf.org=
/doc/draft-ietf-ippm-responsiveness/" data-outlook-id=3D"e8245b08-d860-4040=
-a886-8fb7ec8ce78b" style=3D"color: blue; margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0=
px;"><u>https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-ippm-responsiveness/</u=
></a></span><span style=3D"color: black;">.</span></p>
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; font-size: 12pt;">
<span style=3D"font-family: &quot;Trebuchet MS&quot;, sans-serif; font-size=
: 10pt; color: rgb(14, 40, 65);">&nbsp;</span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin: 0in; font-family: Aptos, sans-serif=
; font-size: 12pt;">
<span style=3D"font-family: &quot;Trebuchet MS&quot;, sans-serif; font-size=
: 10pt; color: rgb(14, 40, 65);">TG&gt; Both are good points which should b=
e clearly mentioned. How about</span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin: 0in; font-family: Aptos, sans-serif=
; font-size: 12pt;">
<span style=3D"font-family: &quot;Trebuchet MS&quot;, sans-serif; font-size=
: 10pt; color: rgb(14, 40, 65);">&nbsp;</span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin: 0in; font-family: Aptos, sans-serif=
; font-size: 12pt;">
<span style=3D"font-family: &quot;Trebuchet MS&quot;, sans-serif; font-size=
: 10pt; color: rgb(14, 40, 65);">Before:</span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin: 0in; font-family: Aptos, sans-serif=
; font-size: 12pt;">
<span style=3D"font-family: &quot;Trebuchet MS&quot;, sans-serif; font-size=
: 10pt; color: rgb(14, 40, 65);">&nbsp;</span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin: 0in; font-family: Aptos, sans-serif=
; font-size: 12pt;">
<span style=3D"font-family: &quot;Trebuchet MS&quot;, sans-serif; font-size=
: 10pt; color: rgb(14, 40, 65);">The&nbsp;WG will also produce terminology =
documents and recommendations concerning the key performance characteristic=
s of internetworking technologies, or benchmarks
 for network devices, systems, and services.</span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin: 0in; font-family: Aptos, sans-serif=
; font-size: 12pt;">
<span style=3D"font-family: &quot;Trebuchet MS&quot;, sans-serif; font-size=
: 10pt; color: rgb(14, 40, 65);">&nbsp;</span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin: 0in; font-family: Aptos, sans-serif=
; font-size: 12pt;">
<span style=3D"font-family: &quot;Trebuchet MS&quot;, sans-serif; font-size=
: 10pt; color: rgb(14, 40, 65);">After:</span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin: 0in; font-family: Aptos, sans-serif=
; font-size: 12pt;">
<span style=3D"font-family: &quot;Trebuchet MS&quot;, sans-serif; font-size=
: 10pt; color: rgb(14, 40, 65);">&nbsp;</span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin: 0in; font-family: Aptos, sans-serif=
; font-size: 12pt;">
<span style=3D"font-family: &quot;Trebuchet MS&quot;, sans-serif; font-size=
: 10pt; color: rgb(14, 40, 65);">The WG will also produce terminology docum=
ents and recommendations concerning the key performance characteristics of =
internetworking technologies, or benchmarks
 for network devices, systems, and services. This includes also quality ass=
essment frameworks, scoring, and bufferbloat detection.</span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin: 0in; font-family: Aptos, sans-serif=
; font-size: 12pt;">
<span style=3D"font-family: &quot;Trebuchet MS&quot;, sans-serif; font-size=
: 10pt; color: rgb(14, 40, 65);">&nbsp;</span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin: 0in; font-family: Aptos, sans-serif=
; font-size: 12pt;">
<span style=3D"color: black;">The related WGs (well, RGs) should probably i=
nclude maprg, both for the work it does that may lead to new proposals for =
protocol work, and its testing of drafts/protocols under development in the=
 new combined WG.</span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin: 0in; font-family: Aptos, sans-serif=
; font-size: 12pt;">
<span style=3D"font-family: &quot;Trebuchet MS&quot;, sans-serif; font-size=
: 10pt; color: rgb(14, 40, 65);">&nbsp;</span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin: 0in; font-family: Aptos, sans-serif=
; font-size: 12pt;">
<span style=3D"font-family: &quot;Trebuchet MS&quot;, sans-serif; font-size=
: 10pt; color: rgb(14, 40, 65);">TG&gt; I think the relationship with MAPRG=
 falls under collaboration and therefore could be mentioned like this:</spa=
n></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin: 0in; font-family: Aptos, sans-serif=
; font-size: 12pt;">
<span style=3D"font-family: &quot;Trebuchet MS&quot;, sans-serif; font-size=
: 10pt; color: rgb(14, 40, 65);">&nbsp;</span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin: 0in; font-family: Aptos, sans-serif=
; font-size: 12pt;">
<span style=3D"font-family: &quot;Trebuchet MS&quot;, sans-serif; font-size=
: 10pt; color: rgb(14, 40, 65);">Before:</span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin: 0in; font-family: Aptos, sans-serif=
; font-size: 12pt;">
<span style=3D"font-family: &quot;Trebuchet MS&quot;, sans-serif; font-size=
: 10pt; color: rgb(14, 40, 65);">&nbsp;</span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin: 0in; font-family: Aptos, sans-serif=
; font-size: 12pt;">
<span style=3D"font-family: &quot;Trebuchet MS&quot;, sans-serif; font-size=
: 10pt; color: rgb(14, 40, 65);">The WG closely collaborates with the Perfo=
rmance Metrics Directorate per the guidance in BCP 170.</span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin: 0in; font-family: Aptos, sans-serif=
; font-size: 12pt;">
<span style=3D"font-family: &quot;Trebuchet MS&quot;, sans-serif; font-size=
: 10pt; color: rgb(14, 40, 65);">&nbsp;</span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin: 0in; font-family: Aptos, sans-serif=
; font-size: 12pt;">
<span style=3D"font-family: &quot;Trebuchet MS&quot;, sans-serif; font-size=
: 10pt; color: rgb(14, 40, 65);">After:</span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin: 0in; font-family: Aptos, sans-serif=
; font-size: 12pt;">
<span style=3D"font-family: &quot;Trebuchet MS&quot;, sans-serif; font-size=
: 10pt; color: rgb(14, 40, 65);">&nbsp;</span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin: 0in; font-family: Aptos, sans-serif=
; font-size: 12pt;">
<span style=3D"font-family: &quot;Trebuchet MS&quot;, sans-serif; font-size=
: 10pt; color: rgb(14, 40, 65);">The WG closely collaborates with the Perfo=
rmance Metrics Directorate per the guidance in BCP 170 and also with MAPRG.=
</span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin: 0in; font-family: Aptos, sans-serif=
; font-size: 12pt;">
<span style=3D"color: black;">&nbsp;</span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin: 0in; font-family: Aptos, sans-serif=
; font-size: 12pt;">
<span style=3D"color: black;">And considering something I=92m involved with=
 at the moment, is measurement of jumbo frame MTU operation in scope for th=
is WG, e.g., testing for 9000 MTU end-to-end? &nbsp; It=92s not clear to me=
 from reading the text. &nbsp;Do we need to add
 any paragraph about what=92s NOT in scope, or do we leave it up to the WG =
to decide what it can adopt?</span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin: 0in; font-family: Aptos, sans-serif=
; font-size: 12pt;">
<span style=3D"color: rgb(14, 40, 65);">&nbsp;</span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin: 0in; font-family: Aptos, sans-serif=
; font-size: 12pt;">
<span style=3D"font-family: &quot;Trebuchet MS&quot;, sans-serif; font-size=
: 10pt; color: rgb(14, 40, 65);">TG&gt; From my point of few, this is alrea=
dy to detailed for a charter item. Perhaps others have a different opinion.=
</span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin: 0in; font-family: Aptos, sans-serif=
; font-size: 12pt;">
<span style=3D"font-family: &quot;Trebuchet MS&quot;, sans-serif; font-size=
: 10pt; color: rgb(14, 40, 65);">&nbsp;</span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin: 0in; font-family: Aptos, sans-serif=
; font-size: 12pt;">
<span style=3D"color: black;">I=92ve not added these as issues.</span></p>
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; font-size: 12pt;">
<span style=3D"font-family: &quot;Trebuchet MS&quot;, sans-serif; font-size=
: 10pt; color: rgb(14, 40, 65);">&nbsp;</span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin: 0in; font-family: Aptos, sans-serif=
; font-size: 12pt;">
<span style=3D"font-family: &quot;Trebuchet MS&quot;, sans-serif; font-size=
: 10pt; color: rgb(14, 40, 65);">TG&gt; Let me know your thoughts and sugge=
stions on the proposals. I can add them then to the issues:
</span><span style=3D"font-family: &quot;Trebuchet MS&quot;, sans-serif; fo=
nt-size: 10pt; color: blue;"><a href=3D"https://github.com/ietf-ippm/wg-cha=
rter/issues" data-outlook-id=3D"e30222fc-d9b6-4e90-8f1d-bd5e623a0cc3" style=
=3D"color: blue; margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px;"><u>https://github.co=
m/ietf-ippm/wg-charter/issues</u></a></span></p>
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<span style=3D"color: black;">&nbsp;</span></p>
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<span style=3D"color: black;">Tim</span></p>
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<span style=3D"color: black;">&nbsp;</span></p>
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On 26/04/2026, 09:02, &quot;<span style=3D"color: blue;"><a href=3D"mailto:=
Thomas.Graf-Zc0CTiu5wcBWk0Htik3J/[email protected]" data-outlook-id=3D"a18d7ce9-1150-42b6-b3f0-5b3c77=
d6d538" style=3D"color: blue; margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px;"><u>Thom=
as.Graf-Zc0CTiu5wcBWk0Htik3J/[email protected]</u></a></span>&quot; &lt;<span style=3D"color: blue;">=
<a href=3D"mailto:Thomas.Graf-Zc0CTiu5wcBWk0Htik3J/[email protected]" data-outlook-id=3D"c8027079-275=
3-4380-b9f4-d170c2e918d0" style=3D"color: blue; margin-top: 0px; margin-bot=
tom: 0px;"><u>Thomas.Graf-Zc0CTiu5wcBWk0Htik3J/[email protected]</u></a></span>&gt;
 wrote:</p>
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<span style=3D"font-family: &quot;Trebuchet MS&quot;, sans-serif; font-size=
: 10pt;">Dear BMWG and IPPM,</span></p>
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<span style=3D"font-family: &quot;Trebuchet MS&quot;, sans-serif; font-size=
: 10pt;">&nbsp;</span></p>
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; font-size: 12pt;">
<span style=3D"font-family: &quot;Trebuchet MS&quot;, sans-serif; font-size=
: 10pt;">On behalf of the chairs. At IETF 125 we had a public joint charter=
ing session onsite. In that session and during the discussion afterwards, w=
e consolidated and simplified the existing charters</span></p>
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; font-size: 12pt;">
<span style=3D"font-family: &quot;Trebuchet MS&quot;, sans-serif; font-size=
: 10pt;">&nbsp;</span></p>
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; font-size: 12pt;">
<span style=3D"font-family: &quot;Trebuchet MS&quot;, sans-serif; font-size=
: 10pt; color: rgb(70, 120, 134);"><a href=3D"https://datatracker.ietf.org/=
wg/bmwg/about/" data-outlook-id=3D"ea470ca6-42b1-4683-9a8f-2c0c341cff8c" st=
yle=3D"color: rgb(70, 120, 134); margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px;"><u>h=
ttps://datatracker.ietf.org/wg/bmwg/about/</u></a></span></p>
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; font-size: 12pt;">
<span style=3D"font-family: &quot;Trebuchet MS&quot;, sans-serif; font-size=
: 10pt; color: rgb(70, 120, 134);"><a href=3D"https://datatracker.ietf.org/=
wg/ippm/about/" data-outlook-id=3D"9efbbdca-aab4-4713-b8f9-73e0116c99c8" st=
yle=3D"color: rgb(70, 120, 134); margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px;"><u>h=
ttps://datatracker.ietf.org/wg/ippm/about/</u></a></span></p>
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; font-size: 12pt;">
<span style=3D"font-family: &quot;Trebuchet MS&quot;, sans-serif; font-size=
: 10pt;">&nbsp;</span></p>
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; font-size: 12pt;">
<span style=3D"font-family: &quot;Trebuchet MS&quot;, sans-serif; font-size=
: 10pt;">for a new joint charter proposal</span></p>
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; font-size: 12pt;">
<span style=3D"font-family: &quot;Trebuchet MS&quot;, sans-serif; font-size=
: 10pt;">&nbsp;</span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin: 0in; font-family: Aptos, sans-serif=
; font-size: 12pt;">
<span style=3D"font-family: &quot;Trebuchet MS&quot;, sans-serif; font-size=
: 10pt; color: rgb(70, 120, 134);"><a href=3D"https://github.com/ietf-ippm/=
wg-charter/blob/main/ippm-bmwg-joint.md" data-outlook-id=3D"107bf92c-bd94-4=
db4-bf88-1da78b499db0" style=3D"color: rgb(70, 120, 134); margin-top: 0px; =
margin-bottom: 0px;"><u>https://github.com/ietf-ippm/wg-charter/blob/main/i=
ppm-bmwg-joint.md</u></a></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin: 0in; font-family: Aptos, sans-serif=
; font-size: 12pt;">
<span style=3D"font-family: &quot;Trebuchet MS&quot;, sans-serif; font-size=
: 10pt;">&nbsp;</span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin: 0in; font-family: Aptos, sans-serif=
; font-size: 12pt;">
<span style=3D"font-family: &quot;Trebuchet MS&quot;, sans-serif; font-size=
: 10pt;">Out of this exercise we highlight that the following items are spe=
cific to BMWG or IPPM today:</span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin: 0in; font-family: Aptos, sans-serif=
; font-size: 12pt;">
<span style=3D"font-family: &quot;Trebuchet MS&quot;, sans-serif; font-size=
: 10pt;">&nbsp;</span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin: 0in; font-family: Aptos, sans-serif=
; font-size: 12pt;">
<span style=3D"font-family: &quot;Trebuchet MS&quot;, sans-serif; font-size=
: 10pt;">- applications running over public and private networks</span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin: 0in; font-family: Aptos, sans-serif=
; font-size: 12pt;">
<span style=3D"font-family: &quot;Trebuchet MS&quot;, sans-serif; font-size=
: 10pt;">- including endpoints in production and lab environments. Where in=
 lab environments the testing procedures ensure consistent, reproducible, a=
nd reportable benchmarking results.</span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin: 0in; font-family: Aptos, sans-serif=
; font-size: 12pt;">
<span style=3D"font-family: &quot;Trebuchet MS&quot;, sans-serif; font-size=
: 10pt;">- The WG will also produce terminology documents and recommendatio=
ns concerning the key performance characteristics of internetworking techno=
logies, or benchmarks for network devices, systems,
 and services.</span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin: 0in; font-family: Aptos, sans-serif=
; font-size: 12pt;">
<span style=3D"font-family: &quot;Trebuchet MS&quot;, sans-serif; font-size=
: 10pt;">&nbsp;</span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin: 0in; font-family: Aptos, sans-serif=
; font-size: 12pt;">
<span style=3D"font-family: &quot;Trebuchet MS&quot;, sans-serif; font-size=
: 10pt;">We added new items to the charter based on recent working group di=
scussions</span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin: 0in; font-family: Aptos, sans-serif=
; font-size: 12pt;">
<span style=3D"font-family: &quot;Trebuchet MS&quot;, sans-serif; font-size=
: 10pt;">&nbsp;</span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin: 0in; font-family: Aptos, sans-serif=
; font-size: 12pt;">
<span style=3D"font-family: &quot;Trebuchet MS&quot;, sans-serif; font-size=
: 10pt;">-&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; IETF=
 protocols at different layers</span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin: 0in; font-family: Aptos, sans-serif=
; font-size: 12pt;">
<span style=3D"font-family: &quot;Trebuchet MS&quot;, sans-serif; font-size=
: 10pt;">-&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; docu=
menting common security building blocks</span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin: 0in; font-family: Aptos, sans-serif=
; font-size: 12pt;">
<span style=3D"font-family: &quot;Trebuchet MS&quot;, sans-serif; font-size=
: 10pt;">-&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; The =
WG will also produce terminology documents and recommendations</span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin: 0in; font-family: Aptos, sans-serif=
; font-size: 12pt;">
<span style=3D"font-family: &quot;Trebuchet MS&quot;, sans-serif; font-size=
: 10pt;">-&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; the =
WG will specify related manageability aspects, such as YANG data models for=
 configuration, operation, and Network Telemetry data export</span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin: 0in; font-family: Aptos, sans-serif=
; font-size: 12pt;">
<span style=3D"font-family: &quot;Trebuchet MS&quot;, sans-serif; font-size=
: 10pt;">-&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Laye=
r 2 applications can be covered as well but require explicit approval from =
the Responsible Area Director.</span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin: 0in; font-family: Aptos, sans-serif=
; font-size: 12pt;">
<span style=3D"font-family: &quot;Trebuchet MS&quot;, sans-serif; font-size=
: 10pt;">-&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; It s=
pecifically coordinates with other WGs such as MPLS, 6MAN, and SPRING where=
 data plane encapsulations are specified.</span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin: 0in; font-family: Aptos, sans-serif=
; font-size: 12pt;">
<span style=3D"font-family: &quot;Trebuchet MS&quot;, sans-serif; font-size=
: 10pt;">-&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; The =
WG liaises with other Standards Development Organizations such as ITU-T, IE=
EE, 3GPP, and BBF and reaches out to other operator communities such as NAN=
OG, RIPE, and APRICOT.</span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin: 0in; font-family: Aptos, sans-serif=
; font-size: 12pt;">
<span style=3D"font-family: &quot;Trebuchet MS&quot;, sans-serif; font-size=
: 10pt;">&nbsp;</span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin: 0in; font-family: Aptos, sans-serif=
; font-size: 12pt;">
<span style=3D"font-family: &quot;Trebuchet MS&quot;, sans-serif; font-size=
: 10pt;">Many thanks to Carsten, Luis, Med, Qin, Marcus, Giuseppe and Sarah=
 for this proposal.</span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin: 0in; font-family: Aptos, sans-serif=
; font-size: 12pt;">
<span style=3D"font-family: &quot;Trebuchet MS&quot;, sans-serif; font-size=
: 10pt;">&nbsp;</span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin: 0in; font-family: Aptos, sans-serif=
; font-size: 12pt;">
<span style=3D"font-family: &quot;Trebuchet MS&quot;, sans-serif; font-size=
: 10pt;">We would like to get reviews and feedback on the joint charter pro=
posal from both working groups. And in particular, we also invite BMWG and =
IPPM authors to check whether the newly proposed
 joint charter covers their work accurately.</span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin: 0in; font-family: Aptos, sans-serif=
; font-size: 12pt;">
<span style=3D"font-family: &quot;Trebuchet MS&quot;, sans-serif; font-size=
: 10pt;">&nbsp;</span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin: 0in; font-family: Aptos, sans-serif=
; font-size: 12pt;">
<span style=3D"font-family: &quot;Trebuchet MS&quot;, sans-serif; font-size=
: 10pt;">-&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Do y=
ou believe that this joint charter covers your existing and future work?</s=
pan></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin: 0in; font-family: Aptos, sans-serif=
; font-size: 12pt;">
<span style=3D"font-family: &quot;Trebuchet MS&quot;, sans-serif; font-size=
: 10pt;">-&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Do y=
ou believe it describes and scopes accurately the current and future work o=
f both working groups?</span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin: 0in; font-family: Aptos, sans-serif=
; font-size: 12pt;">
<span style=3D"font-family: &quot;Trebuchet MS&quot;, sans-serif; font-size=
: 10pt;">-&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Is s=
omething missing or should be omitted? Why?</span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin: 0in; font-family: Aptos, sans-serif=
; font-size: 12pt;">
<span style=3D"font-family: &quot;Trebuchet MS&quot;, sans-serif; font-size=
: 10pt;">&nbsp;</span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin: 0in; font-family: Aptos, sans-serif=
; font-size: 12pt;">
<span style=3D"font-family: &quot;Trebuchet MS&quot;, sans-serif; font-size=
: 10pt;">Please comment on this thread and also feel free to open change pr=
oposals here:
</span><span style=3D"font-family: &quot;Trebuchet MS&quot;, sans-serif; fo=
nt-size: 10pt; color: rgb(70, 120, 134);"><a href=3D"https://github.com/iet=
f-ippm/wg-charter/issues" data-outlook-id=3D"ec2691e2-e9e6-4e24-aa64-1ad4d4=
695e25" style=3D"color: rgb(70, 120, 134); margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: =
0px;"><u>https://github.com/ietf-ippm/wg-charter/issues</u></a></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin: 0in; font-family: Aptos, sans-serif=
; font-size: 12pt;">
<span style=3D"font-family: &quot;Trebuchet MS&quot;, sans-serif; font-size=
: 10pt;">&nbsp;</span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin: 0in; font-family: Aptos, sans-serif=
; font-size: 12pt;">
<span style=3D"font-family: &quot;Trebuchet MS&quot;, sans-serif; font-size=
: 10pt;">We intend to follow up also with the MPLS, 6MAN, and SPRING workin=
g groups once this discussion is stabilizing.</span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin: 0in; font-family: Aptos, sans-serif=
; font-size: 12pt;">
<span style=3D"font-family: &quot;Trebuchet MS&quot;, sans-serif; font-size=
: 10pt;">&nbsp;</span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin: 0in; font-family: Aptos, sans-serif=
; font-size: 12pt;">
<span style=3D"font-family: &quot;Trebuchet MS&quot;, sans-serif; font-size=
: 10pt;">Best wishes</span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin: 0in; font-family: Aptos, sans-serif=
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<span style=3D"font-family: &quot;Trebuchet MS&quot;, sans-serif; font-size=
: 10pt;">Qin, Giuseppe, Sarah, Marcus and Thomas</span></p>
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