[ippm] Re: [bmwg] Re: Joint BMWG/IPPM chartering (2 )
Libin Liu <[email protected]> Tue, 16 Jun 2026 06:06:15 +0000
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--===============4786748369984187158== Content-Language: en-US Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_000_TY4PR01MB12668C09DF6408A4C60D89ECCE2E52TY4PR01MB12668jp_" --_000_TY4PR01MB12668C09DF6408A4C60D89ECCE2E52TY4PR01MB12668jp_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-2022-jp" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Thomas and All, Thank you for preparing the updated joint charter proposal. I think the pro= posed joint charter is clear and broad enough to cover both benchmarking me= thodologies and IP performance measurement work. Regarding the WG name, I would like to suggest a name that reflects the int= egration of the former IPPM and BMWG scopes, rather than a concatenation of= the two historical areas. From this perspective, I think =1B$B!H=1B(BNETME= ASURE: Network Measurement=1B$B!I=1B(B attractive, because it captures the = common foundation of metrics, methodologies, protocols, and benchmarking ac= ross both production and lab environments. Best, Libin From: Thomas.Graf-Zc0CTiu5wcBWk0Htik3J/[email protected] <Thomas.Graf-Zc0CTiu5wcBWk0Htik3J/[email protected]> To: [email protected] <[email protected]>;[email protected] <[email protected]>; Cc: [email protected] <[email protected]>;[email protected] <bmwg-= [email protected]>;[email protected] <[email protected]= >; Date: 2026=1B$BG/=1B(B06=1B$B7n=1B(B11=1B$BF|=1B(B 16:26 Subject: [ippm] Joint BMWG/IPPM chartering (2) _______________________________________________ ippm mailing list -- [email protected] To unsubscribe send an email to [email protected] Dear BMWG and IPPM, Thanks a lot for the good feedback on the proposed joint charter and also t= he implementation policy. You will find the current proposal here: https://github.com/ietf-ippm/wg-ch= arter/blob/main/ippm-bmwg-joint.md And the last changes here: https://github.com/ietf-ippm/wg-charter/commits/= main/ippm-bmwg-joint.md Based on the feedback on implementation policy, we merged the following inp= ut The WG can publish RFCs in all Tracks and expects an implementation for sta= ndard track documents. In some cases an implementation proof might be not n= eeded. Whenever such an exception applies, the exception justification mus= t be included in the specification document or its write-up Please follow up on this thread if you have comments on the current joint c= harter proposal or implementation policy. Below you find some working group name proposals. We would appreciate feedb= ack on the mailing list on your preference and also please don't hesitate t= o propose alternates. The preliminary agenda will be published on June 19th. We will reach out so= on to collect session requests. We also reserved some time to discuss the = proposed joint charter. Best wishes Sarah, Giuseppe, Marcus and Thomas BPM a. Benchmarking and Performance Methodologies b. Benchmarking and Performance Measurement BIPP Benchmarking and IP Performance BMPM a. Benchmarking Methodologies and Performance Measurements b. Benchmarking Methodologies and Performance Metrics NETMEASURE Network Measurement BPMP Benchmarking and Performance Measurement Protocols --_000_TY4PR01MB12668C09DF6408A4C60D89ECCE2E52TY4PR01MB12668jp_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-2022-jp" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <html> <head> <meta http-equiv=3D"Content-Type" content=3D"text/html; charset=3Diso-2022-= jp"> <style type=3D"text/css" style=3D"display:none;"> P {margin-top:0;margin-bo= ttom:0;} </style> </head> <body dir=3D"ltr"> <div class=3D"elementToProof" style=3D"font-family: Aptos, Aptos_EmbeddedFo= nt, Aptos_MSFontService, Calibri, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt; c= olor: rgb(0, 0, 0);"> Hi Thomas and All,</div> <div class=3D"elementToProof" style=3D"font-family: Aptos, Aptos_EmbeddedFo= nt, Aptos_MSFontService, Calibri, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt; c= olor: rgb(0, 0, 0);"> <br> </div> <div class=3D"elementToProof" style=3D"font-family: Aptos, Aptos_EmbeddedFo= nt, Aptos_MSFontService, Calibri, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt; c= olor: rgb(0, 0, 0);"> Thank you for preparing the updated joint charter proposal. I think the pro= posed joint charter is clear and broad enough to cover both benchmarking me= thodologies and IP performance measurement work.</div> <div class=3D"elementToProof" style=3D"font-family: Aptos, Aptos_EmbeddedFo= nt, Aptos_MSFontService, Calibri, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt; c= olor: rgb(0, 0, 0);"> <br> </div> <div class=3D"elementToProof" style=3D"font-family: Aptos, Aptos_EmbeddedFo= nt, Aptos_MSFontService, Calibri, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt; c= olor: rgb(0, 0, 0);"> Regarding the WG name, I would like to suggest a name that reflects the int= egration of the former IPPM and BMWG scopes, rather than a concatenation of= the two historical areas. From this perspective, I think =1B$B!H=1B(BNETME= ASURE: Network Measurement=1B$B!I=1B(B attractive, because it captures the common foundation of metrics, methodologies, protocols, an= d benchmarking across both production and lab environments.</div> <div class=3D"elementToProof" style=3D"font-family: Aptos, Aptos_EmbeddedFo= nt, Aptos_MSFontService, Calibri, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt; c= olor: rgb(0, 0, 0);"> <br> </div> <div class=3D"elementToProof" style=3D"font-family: Aptos, Aptos_EmbeddedFo= nt, Aptos_MSFontService, Calibri, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt; c= olor: rgb(0, 0, 0);"> <br> </div> <div class=3D"elementToProof" style=3D"font-family: Aptos, Aptos_EmbeddedFo= nt, Aptos_MSFontService, Calibri, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt; c= olor: rgb(0, 0, 0);"> Best,</div> <div class=3D"elementToProof" style=3D"font-family: Aptos, Aptos_EmbeddedFo= nt, Aptos_MSFontService, Calibri, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt; c= olor: rgb(0, 0, 0);"> Libin</div> <div style=3D"font-family: Aptos, Aptos_EmbeddedFont, Aptos_MSFontService, = Calibri, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);"> <br> </div> <div style=3D"text-align: center; line-height: 28px; background-color: rgb(= 224, 229, 233); color: rgb(19, 136, 255);"> <b>From: </b>Thomas.Graf-Zc0CTiu5wcBWk0Htik3J/[email protected] <Thomas.Graf-Zc0CTiu5wcBWk0Htik3J/[email protected]> = ; </div> <div id=3D"zwriteHistoryContainer"> <div style=3D"background-color: rgb(245, 246, 248); padding: 8px;"> <div><b>To: </b>[email protected] <[email protected]>;[email protected] <bmwg@= ietf.org>; </div> <div><b>Cc: </b>[email protected] <[email protected]>;bmwg-chai= [email protected] <[email protected]>;[email protected] <m= [email protected]>;</div> <div><b>Date: </b>2026=1B$BG/=1B(B06=1B$B7n=1B(B11=1B$BF|=1B(B 16:26 &= nbsp;</div> <div><b>Subject: [ippm] Joint BMWG/IPPM chartering (2)</b> </div= > </div> <div>_______________________________________________<br> ippm mailing list -- [email protected]<br> To unsubscribe send an email to ippm-leave@ie= tf.org<br> </div> <p style=3D"margin-top: 1em; margin-bottom: 1em;"><span style=3D"font-famil= y: "Trebuchet MS", sans-serif; font-size: 10pt;">Dear BMWG and IP= PM,</span></p> <p style=3D"margin-top: 1em; margin-bottom: 1em;"><span style=3D"font-famil= y: "Trebuchet MS", sans-serif; font-size: 10pt;"> </span></p= > <p style=3D"margin-top: 1em; margin-bottom: 1em;"><span style=3D"font-famil= y: "Trebuchet MS", sans-serif; font-size: 10pt;">Thanks a lot for= the good feedback on the proposed joint charter and also the implementatio= n policy.</span></p> <p style=3D"margin-top: 1em; margin-bottom: 1em;"><span style=3D"font-famil= y: "Trebuchet MS", sans-serif; font-size: 10pt;"> </span></p= > <p style=3D"margin-top: 1em; margin-bottom: 1em;"><span style=3D"font-famil= y: "Trebuchet MS", sans-serif; font-size: 10pt;">You will find th= e current proposal here: <a href=3D"https://github.com/ietf-ippm/wg-charter/blob/main/ippm-bmwg-join= t.md" id=3D"OWAa4184da3-5471-87f9-fba0-f84d5933da0c" class=3D"OWAAutoLink" = data-auth=3D"NotApplicable" style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px;"> https://github.com/ietf-ippm/wg-charter/blob/main/ippm-bmwg-joint.md</a></s= pan></p> <p style=3D"margin-top: 1em; margin-bottom: 1em;"><span style=3D"font-famil= y: "Trebuchet MS", sans-serif; font-size: 10pt;">And the last cha= nges here: <a href=3D"https://github.com/ietf-ippm/wg-charter/commits/main/ippm-bmwg-j= oint.md" id=3D"OWAdd8757d0-ac2a-9450-98cf-0c2eecbfac9e" class=3D"OWAAutoLin= k" data-auth=3D"NotApplicable" style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px= ;"> https://github.com/ietf-ippm/wg-charter/commits/main/ippm-bmwg-joint.md</a>= </span></p> <p style=3D"margin-top: 1em; margin-bottom: 1em;"><span style=3D"font-famil= y: "Trebuchet MS", sans-serif; font-size: 10pt;"> </span></p= > <p style=3D"margin-top: 1em; margin-bottom: 1em;"><span style=3D"font-famil= y: "Trebuchet MS", sans-serif; font-size: 10pt;">Based on the fee= dback on implementation policy, we merged the following input</span></p> <p style=3D"margin-top: 1em; margin-bottom: 1em;"><span style=3D"font-famil= y: "Trebuchet MS", sans-serif; font-size: 10pt;"> </span></p= > <p style=3D"margin-top: 1em; margin-bottom: 1em;"><span style=3D"font-famil= y: "Trebuchet MS", sans-serif; font-size: 10pt;">The WG can publi= sh RFCs in all Tracks and expects an implementation for standard track docu= ments. In some cases an implementation proof might be not needed. Whenever such an exception applies, the exception jus= tification must be included in the specification document or its write-up</= span></p> <p style=3D"margin-top: 1em; margin-bottom: 1em;"><span style=3D"font-famil= y: "Trebuchet MS", sans-serif; font-size: 10pt;"> </span></p= > <p style=3D"margin-top: 1em; margin-bottom: 1em;"><span style=3D"font-famil= y: "Trebuchet MS", sans-serif; font-size: 10pt;"> </span></p= > <p style=3D"margin-top: 1em; margin-bottom: 1em;"><span style=3D"font-famil= y: "Trebuchet MS", sans-serif; font-size: 10pt;">Please follow up= on this thread if you have comments on the current joint charter proposal = or implementation policy.</span></p> <p style=3D"margin-top: 1em; margin-bottom: 1em;"><span style=3D"font-famil= y: "Trebuchet MS", sans-serif; font-size: 10pt;"> </span></p= > <p style=3D"margin-top: 1em; margin-bottom: 1em;"><span style=3D"font-famil= y: "Trebuchet MS", sans-serif; font-size: 10pt;">Below you find s= ome working group name proposals. We would appreciate feedback on the maili= ng list on your preference and also please don't hesitate to propose alternates.</span></p> <p style=3D"margin-top: 1em; margin-bottom: 1em;"><span style=3D"font-famil= y: "Trebuchet MS", sans-serif; font-size: 10pt;"> </span></p= > <p style=3D"margin-top: 1em; margin-bottom: 1em;"><span style=3D"font-famil= y: "Trebuchet MS", sans-serif; font-size: 10pt;">The preliminary = agenda will be published on June 19<sup>th</sup>. We will reach out soon to= collect session requests. We also reserved some time to discuss the proposed joint charter.</span></p> <p style=3D"margin-top: 1em; margin-bottom: 1em;"><span style=3D"font-famil= y: "Trebuchet MS", sans-serif; font-size: 10pt;"> </span></p= > <p style=3D"margin-top: 1em; margin-bottom: 1em;"><span style=3D"font-famil= y: "Trebuchet MS", sans-serif; font-size: 10pt;">Best wishes</spa= n></p> <p style=3D"margin-top: 1em; margin-bottom: 1em;"><span style=3D"font-famil= y: "Trebuchet MS", sans-serif; font-size: 10pt;">Sarah, Giuseppe,= Marcus and Thomas</span></p> <p style=3D"margin-top: 1em; margin-bottom: 1em;"><span style=3D"font-famil= y: "Trebuchet MS", sans-serif; font-size: 10pt;"> </span></p= > <p style=3D"margin-top: 1em; margin-bottom: 1em;"><span style=3D"font-famil= y: "Trebuchet MS", sans-serif; font-size: 10pt;"> </span></p= > <p style=3D"margin-top: 1em; margin-bottom: 1em;"><span style=3D"font-famil= y: "Trebuchet MS", sans-serif; font-size: 10pt; color: rgb(14, 40= , 65);">BPM</span></p> <p style=3D"margin-top: 1em; margin-bottom: 1em;"><span style=3D"font-famil= y: "Trebuchet MS", sans-serif; font-size: 10pt; color: rgb(14, 40= , 65);">a. Benchmarking and Performance Methodologies</span></p> <p style=3D"margin-top: 1em; margin-bottom: 1em;"><span style=3D"font-famil= y: "Trebuchet MS", sans-serif; font-size: 10pt; color: rgb(14, 40= , 65);">b. Benchmarking and Performance Measurement</span></p> <p style=3D"margin-top: 1em; margin-bottom: 1em;"><span style=3D"font-famil= y: "Trebuchet MS", sans-serif; font-size: 10pt; color: rgb(14, 40= , 65);"> </span></p> <p style=3D"margin-top: 1em; margin-bottom: 1em;"><span style=3D"font-famil= y: "Trebuchet MS", sans-serif; font-size: 10pt; color: rgb(14, 40= , 65);">BIPP</span></p> <p style=3D"margin-top: 1em; margin-bottom: 1em;"><span style=3D"font-famil= y: "Trebuchet MS", sans-serif; font-size: 10pt; color: rgb(14, 40= , 65);">Benchmarking and IP Performance</span></p> <p style=3D"margin-top: 1em; margin-bottom: 1em;"><span style=3D"font-famil= y: "Trebuchet MS", sans-serif; font-size: 10pt; color: rgb(14, 40= , 65);"> </span></p> <p style=3D"margin-top: 1em; margin-bottom: 1em;"><span style=3D"font-famil= y: "Trebuchet MS", sans-serif; font-size: 10pt; color: rgb(14, 40= , 65);">BMPM</span></p> <p style=3D"margin-top: 1em; margin-bottom: 1em;"><span style=3D"font-famil= y: "Trebuchet MS", sans-serif; font-size: 10pt; color: rgb(14, 40= , 65);">a. Benchmarking Methodologies and Performance Measurements</span></= p> <p style=3D"margin-top: 1em; margin-bottom: 1em;"><span style=3D"font-famil= y: "Trebuchet MS", sans-serif; font-size: 10pt; color: rgb(14, 40= , 65);">b. Benchmarking Methodologies and Performance Metrics</span></p> <p style=3D"margin-top: 1em; margin-bottom: 1em;"><span style=3D"font-famil= y: "Trebuchet MS", sans-serif; font-size: 10pt; color: rgb(14, 40= , 65);"> </span></p> <p style=3D"margin-top: 1em; margin-bottom: 1em;"><span style=3D"font-famil= y: "Trebuchet MS", sans-serif; font-size: 10pt; color: rgb(14, 40= , 65);">NETMEASURE</span></p> <p style=3D"margin-top: 1em; margin-bottom: 1em;"><span style=3D"font-famil= y: "Trebuchet MS", sans-serif; font-size: 10pt; color: rgb(14, 40= , 65);">Network Measurement</span></p> <p style=3D"margin-top: 1em; margin-bottom: 1em;"><span style=3D"font-famil= y: "Trebuchet MS", sans-serif; font-size: 10pt; color: rgb(14, 40= , 65);"> </span></p> <p style=3D"margin-top: 1em; margin-bottom: 1em;"><span style=3D"font-famil= y: "Trebuchet MS", sans-serif; font-size: 10pt; color: rgb(14, 40= , 65);">BPMP</span></p> <p style=3D"margin-top: 1em; margin-bottom: 1em;"><span style=3D"font-famil= y: "Trebuchet MS", sans-serif; font-size: 10pt; color: rgb(14, 40= , 65);">Benchmarking and Performance Measurement Protocols</span></p> <p style=3D"margin-top: 1em; margin-bottom: 1em;"> </p> <p style=3D"margin-top: 1em; margin-bottom: 1em;"><br> </p> </div> </body> </html> --_000_TY4PR01MB12668C09DF6408A4C60D89ECCE2E52TY4PR01MB12668jp_-- --===============4786748369984187158== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 Content-Disposition: inline X19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX18KaXBwbSBtYWls aW5nIGxpc3QgLS0gaXBwbUBpZXRmLm9yZwpUbyB1bnN1YnNjcmliZSBzZW5kIGFuIGVtYWlsIHRv IGlwcG0tbGVhdmVAaWV0Zi5vcmcK --===============4786748369984187158==--