[ippm] Re: About RFC 7799 BCP Satus Change

Libin Liu <[email protected]> Wed, 17 Jun 2026 02:48:25 +0000
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Hi Giuseppe,

Thank you for the quick response and for considering my comments. I read yo=
ur inline replies and they look good to me. I will follow the GitHub repo.


Best,
Libin
________________________________
From: Giuseppe Fioccola <[email protected]>
Sent: Tuesday, June 16, 2026 6:17 PM
To: Libin Liu <[email protected]>; [email protected] <mohame=
[email protected]>; ippm <[email protected]>; bmwg <[email protected]>
Subject: RE: About RFC 7799 BCP Satus Change


Hi Libin,

Thank you for your review.

I will address your comments in the next revision. Note that I also created=
 a GitHub Repository for it (https://github.com/giuseppefioccola/draft-fioc=
cola-ippm-rfc7799bis).

Please see my additional replies inline tagged as [GF]



Regards,



Giuseppe



From: Libin Liu <[email protected]>
Sent: Tuesday, June 16, 2026 7:40 AM
To: Giuseppe Fioccola <[email protected]>; mohamed.boucadair@ora=
nge.com; ippm <[email protected]>; bmwg <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: About RFC 7799 BCP Satus Change



Hi Giuseppe,



Thanks for taking on the RFC7799 refresh. I understand that this bis docume=
nt is intended to keep the main Active/Passive/Hybrid classification guidan=
ce unchanged, while refreshing the examples and references so that the docu=
ment can better support BCP status.



[GF]: Yes, correct.



I reviewed draft-fioccola-ippm-rfc7799bis-00 and have a few comments.



1. First, Appendix A appears to have a typo issue. It says =93The main chan=
ges since [RFC799]=94, but this should be =93[RFC7799]=94. The correspondin=
g informative reference to RFC799 also seems unintended and can probably be=
 removed.



[GF]: It is a typo. I will replace it with RFC7799 and also remove the refe=
rence to RFC799.



2. Second,  Section 7 currently says that the document has no Operational C=
onsiderations. Since the document is intended as BCP and now includes examp=
les of methods that generate traffic or modify measurement-related fields i=
n user traffic, I think it would be useful to add some general operational =
considerations. This does not need to replace the method-specific operation=
al considerations, but could provide a short checklist covering added measu=
rement traffic, header modifications, MTU or fragmentation effects, possibl=
e packet treatment or ECMP effects, measurement export traffic, and the pla=
cement of observation or measurement points.



[GF]: Good point. I can definitely add general operational considerations a=
nd then refer to the various documents for the detailed aspects.



3. Third, for the Hybrid Type I examples in Section 5, especially Alternate=
-Marking, IOAM, and PDM, the text says that these methods intend to have a =
minor effect on the measured stream and the network. I think this is reason=
able as an intent, but the text could more clearly state that the actual ef=
fect depends on deployment conditions. For example, adding or modifying mea=
surement-related fields may affect MTU, encapsulation, forwarding behavior,=
 ECMP hashing, middlebox handling, or hardware fast-path processing. This w=
ould make the classification more robust without changing the classificatio=
n itself.



[GF]: Ok, for the Hybrid method examples, I will further specify that the e=
ffects on the measured stream also depend on other conditions.



4. Forth, the Security Considerations currently mainly refer to LMAP. Since=
 the refreshed examples include methods that add, modify, or expose measure=
ment-related information in packets, it may be useful to add a short genera=
l note that such methods can expose topology, timing, path, traffic pattern=
, or other operational information, and that each method specification shou=
ld discuss the corresponding security and privacy risks.



[GF]: Agree, the Security Considerations section will be updated accordingl=
y.



If I had any misunderstandings, please point out. Thank you very much for t=
he effort.





Best,

Libin



________________________________

From: Giuseppe Fioccola <giuseppe.fioccola=3D40huawei.com-Tr9gZwTxerDR74oF6e/[email protected]>
Sent: Friday, June 12, 2026 5:59 PM
To: Giuseppe Fioccola <giuseppe.fioccola=3D40huawei.com-Tr9gZwTxerDR74oF6e/[email protected]>; mo=
[email protected] <[email protected]>; ippm <ippm@ietf.=
org>; bmwg <[email protected]>
Subject: [bmwg] Re: About RFC 7799 BCP Satus Change



Hi All,

To follow up on the status change of RFC7799 as BCP, I just published an in=
itial version of RFC7799bis, as suggested by the IESG:

https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-fioccola-ippm-rfc7799bis/



I would greatly appreciated your reviews and contributions.



Regards,



Giuseppe





From: Giuseppe Fioccola <giuseppe.fioccola=3D40huawei.com-Tr9gZwTxerDR74oF6e/[email protected]>
Sent: Friday, May 22, 2026 11:23 AM
To: [email protected]; ippm <[email protected]>; bmwg <[email protected]=
>
Subject: [bmwg] Re: About RFC 7799 BCP Satus Change



Hi Med,

I can surely volunteer to lead this effort. Based on the feedback from the =
IESG, some sections can be refreshed while other parts of the document can =
be kept unchanged.



Regards,



Giuseppe



From: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> <mo=
[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>>
Sent: Friday, May 22, 2026 11:06 AM
To: ippm <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>>; bmwg <[email protected]<mailto:=
[email protected]>>
Subject: [bmwg] About RFC 7799 BCP Satus Change



Hi all,



Some ADs think that it is better to have a refresh/cleanup of RFC7799 inste=
ad of proceeding with the status change as initially planned by BMWG/IPPM W=
Gs. The refresh would be mainly picking more recent illustration examples a=
nd update some references in Section 4. That clean-up does not alter/impact=
 the main guidance.



If you volunteer to lead this refresh, please let ippm/bmwg know. Thank you=
.



Cheers,

Med

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e.com &lt;[email protected]&gt;; ippm &lt;[email protected]&gt;; bmw=
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<p class=3D"x_MsoNormal">Hi Libin,</p>
<p class=3D"x_MsoNormal">Thank you for your review.</p>
<p class=3D"x_MsoNormal">I will address your comments in the next revision.=
 Note that I also created a GitHub Repository for it (<a href=3D"https://gi=
thub.com/giuseppefioccola/draft-fioccola-ippm-rfc7799bis">https://github.co=
m/giuseppefioccola/draft-fioccola-ippm-rfc7799bis</a>).</p>
<p class=3D"x_MsoNormal">Please see my additional replies inline tagged as =
[GF]</p>
<p class=3D"x_MsoNormal">&nbsp;</p>
<p class=3D"x_MsoNormal">Regards,</p>
<p class=3D"x_MsoNormal">&nbsp;</p>
<p class=3D"x_MsoNormal">Giuseppe</p>
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<p class=3D"x_MsoNormal"><b>From:</b> Libin Liu &lt;[email protected]&g=
t; <br>
<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, June 16, 2026 7:40 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Giuseppe Fioccola &lt;[email protected]&gt;; mohamed.=
[email protected]; ippm &lt;[email protected]&gt;; bmwg &lt;[email protected]&gt=
;<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: About RFC 7799 BCP Satus Change</p>
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<p class=3D"x_MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt; font-family:&quot=
;Aptos&quot;,serif; color:black">Hi Giuseppe,</span></p>
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<p class=3D"x_MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt; font-family:&quot=
;Aptos&quot;,serif; color:black">&nbsp;</span></p>
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<div>
<p class=3D"x_MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt; font-family:&quot=
;Aptos&quot;,serif; color:black">Thanks for taking on the RFC7799 refresh. =
I understand that this bis document is intended to keep the main Active/Pas=
sive/Hybrid classification guidance unchanged,
 while refreshing the examples and references so that the document can bett=
er support BCP status.</span></p>
<p class=3D"x_MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt; font-family:&quot=
;Aptos&quot;,serif; color:black">&nbsp;</span></p>
<p class=3D"x_MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt; font-family:&quot=
;Aptos&quot;,serif; color:black">[GF]: Yes, correct.</span></p>
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;Aptos&quot;,serif; color:black">&nbsp;</span></p>
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<p class=3D"x_MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt; font-family:&quot=
;Aptos&quot;,serif; color:black">I reviewed draft-fioccola-ippm-rfc7799bis-=
00 and have a few comments.</span></p>
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<p class=3D"x_MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt; font-family:&quot=
;Aptos&quot;,serif; color:black">&nbsp;</span></p>
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<div>
<p class=3D"x_MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt; font-family:&quot=
;Aptos&quot;,serif; color:black">1. First, Appendix A appears to have a typ=
o issue. It says =93The main changes since [RFC799]=94, but this should be =
=93[RFC7799]=94. The corresponding informative reference
 to RFC799 also seems unintended and can probably be removed.</span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"x_MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt; font-family:&quot=
;Aptos&quot;,serif; color:black">&nbsp;</span></p>
<p class=3D"x_MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt; font-family:&quot=
;Aptos&quot;,serif; color:black">[GF]: It is a typo. I will replace it with=
 RFC7799 and also remove the reference to RFC799.</span></p>
<p class=3D"x_MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt; font-family:&quot=
;Aptos&quot;,serif; color:black">&nbsp;</span></p>
<p class=3D"x_MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt; font-family:&quot=
;Aptos&quot;,serif; color:black">2. Second, &nbsp;Section 7 currently says =
that the document has no Operational Considerations. Since the document is =
intended as BCP and now includes examples of methods
 that generate traffic or modify measurement-related fields in user traffic=
, I think it would be useful to add some general operational considerations=
. This does not need to replace the method-specific operational considerati=
ons, but could provide a short checklist
 covering added measurement traffic, header modifications, MTU or fragmenta=
tion effects, possible packet treatment or ECMP effects, measurement export=
 traffic, and the placement of observation or measurement points.</span></p=
>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"x_MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt; font-family:&quot=
;Aptos&quot;,serif; color:black">&nbsp;</span></p>
<p class=3D"x_MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt; font-family:&quot=
;Aptos&quot;,serif; color:black">[GF]: Good point. I can definitely add gen=
eral operational considerations and then refer to the various documents for=
 the detailed aspects.</span></p>
<p class=3D"x_MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt; font-family:&quot=
;Aptos&quot;,serif; color:black">&nbsp;</span></p>
<p class=3D"x_MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt; font-family:&quot=
;Aptos&quot;,serif; color:black">3. Third, for the Hybrid Type I examples i=
n Section 5, especially Alternate-Marking, IOAM, and PDM, the text says tha=
t these methods intend to have a minor effect
 on the measured stream and the network. I think this is reasonable as an i=
ntent, but the text could more clearly state that the actual effect depends=
 on deployment conditions. For example, adding or modifying measurement-rel=
ated fields may affect MTU, encapsulation,
 forwarding behavior, ECMP hashing, middlebox handling, or hardware fast-pa=
th processing. This would make the classification more robust without chang=
ing the classification itself.</span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"x_MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt; font-family:&quot=
;Aptos&quot;,serif; color:black">&nbsp;</span></p>
<p class=3D"x_MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt; font-family:&quot=
;Aptos&quot;,serif; color:black">[GF]: Ok, for the Hybrid method examples, =
I will further specify that the effects on the measured stream also depend =
on other conditions.</span></p>
<p class=3D"x_MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt; font-family:&quot=
;Aptos&quot;,serif; color:black">&nbsp;</span></p>
<p class=3D"x_MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt; font-family:&quot=
;Aptos&quot;,serif; color:black">4. Forth, the Security Considerations curr=
ently mainly refer to LMAP. Since the refreshed examples include methods th=
at add, modify, or expose measurement-related
 information in packets, it may be useful to add a short general note that =
such methods can expose topology, timing, path, traffic pattern, or other o=
perational information, and that each method specification should discuss t=
he corresponding security and privacy
 risks.</span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"x_MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt; font-family:&quot=
;Aptos&quot;,serif; color:black">&nbsp;</span></p>
<p class=3D"x_MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt; font-family:&quot=
;Aptos&quot;,serif; color:black">[GF]: Agree, the Security Considerations s=
ection will be updated accordingly.</span></p>
<p class=3D"x_MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt; font-family:&quot=
;Aptos&quot;,serif; color:black">&nbsp;</span></p>
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<div>
<p class=3D"x_MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt; font-family:&quot=
;Aptos&quot;,serif; color:black">If I had any misunderstandings, please poi=
nt out. Thank you very much for the effort.</span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"x_MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt; font-family:&quot=
;Aptos&quot;,serif; color:black">&nbsp;</span></p>
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<p class=3D"x_MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt; font-family:&quot=
;Aptos&quot;,serif; color:black">Best,</span></p>
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<p class=3D"x_MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt; font-family:&quot=
;Aptos&quot;,serif; color:black">Libin</span></p>
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an style=3D"color:black">&nbsp;Giuseppe Fioccola &lt;giuseppe.fioccola=3D40=
huawei.com-Tr9gZwTxerDR74oF6e/[email protected]&gt;<br>
<b>Sent:</b>&nbsp;Friday, June 12, 2026 5:59 PM<br>
<b>To:</b>&nbsp;Giuseppe Fioccola &lt;giuseppe.fioccola=3D40huawei.com@dmar=
c.ietf.org&gt;; [email protected] &lt;[email protected]=
om&gt;; ippm &lt;[email protected]&gt;; bmwg &lt;[email protected]&gt;<br>
<b>Subject:</b>&nbsp;[bmwg] Re: About RFC 7799 BCP Satus Change</span></p>
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<p>Hi All,<span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Aptos&quot;,serif"></span></p>
<p>To follow up on the status change of RFC7799 as BCP, I just published an=
 initial version of RFC7799bis, as suggested by the IESG:<span style=3D"fon=
t-family:&quot;Aptos&quot;,serif"></span></p>
<p><a href=3D"https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-fioccola-ippm-rfc7799b=
is/"><span style=3D"color:#467886">https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-f=
ioccola-ippm-rfc7799bis/</span></a><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Aptos&q=
uot;,serif"></span></p>
<p>&nbsp;<span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Aptos&quot;,serif"></span></p>
<p>I would greatly appreciated your reviews and contributions.<span style=
=3D"font-family:&quot;Aptos&quot;,serif"></span></p>
<p>&nbsp;<span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Aptos&quot;,serif"></span></p>
<p>Regards,<span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Aptos&quot;,serif"></span></p>
<p>&nbsp;<span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Aptos&quot;,serif"></span></p>
<p>Giuseppe<span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Aptos&quot;,serif"></span></p>
<p>&nbsp;<span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Aptos&quot;,serif"></span></p>
<p>&nbsp;<span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Aptos&quot;,serif"></span></p>
<div style=3D"border:none; border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt; padding:3.0pt 0i=
n 0in 0in">
<p><b>From:</b>&nbsp;Giuseppe Fioccola &lt;giuseppe.fioccola=3D40huawei.com=
@dmarc.ietf.org&gt;<br>
<b>Sent:</b>&nbsp;Friday, May 22, 2026 11:23 AM<br>
<b>To:</b>&nbsp;[email protected]; ippm &lt;[email protected]&gt;; b=
mwg &lt;[email protected]&gt;<br>
<b>Subject:</b>&nbsp;[bmwg] Re: About RFC 7799 BCP Satus Change<span style=
=3D"font-family:&quot;Aptos&quot;,serif"></span></p>
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<p><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Aptos&quot;,serif">&nbsp;</span></p>
<p>Hi Med,<span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Aptos&quot;,serif"></span></p>
<p>I can surely volunteer to lead this effort. Based on the feedback from t=
he IESG, some sections can be refreshed while other parts of the document c=
an be kept unchanged.<span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Aptos&quot;,serif"></=
span></p>
<p>&nbsp;<span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Aptos&quot;,serif"></span></p>
<p>Regards,<span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Aptos&quot;,serif"></span></p>
<p>&nbsp;<span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Aptos&quot;,serif"></span></p>
<p>Giuseppe<span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Aptos&quot;,serif"></span></p>
<p>&nbsp;<span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Aptos&quot;,serif"></span></p>
<div style=3D"border:none; border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt; padding:3.0pt 0i=
n 0in 0in">
<p><b>From:</b> <a href=3D"mailto:[email protected]"><span style=
=3D"color:#467886">[email protected]</span></a>&nbsp;&lt;<a href=
=3D"mailto:[email protected]"><span style=3D"color:#467886">moha=
[email protected]</span></a>&gt;<br>
<b>Sent:</b>&nbsp;Friday, May 22, 2026 11:06 AM<br>
<b>To:</b>&nbsp;ippm &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email protected]"><span style=3D"co=
lor:#467886">[email protected]</span></a>&gt;; bmwg &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:bmwg@=
ietf.org"><span style=3D"color:#467886">[email protected]</span></a>&gt;<br>
<b>Subject:</b>&nbsp;[bmwg] About RFC 7799 BCP Satus Change<span style=3D"f=
ont-family:&quot;Aptos&quot;,serif"></span></p>
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<p><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Aptos&quot;,serif">&nbsp;</span></p>
<p><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Courier New&quot;">Hi all,</span><span =
style=3D"font-family:&quot;Aptos&quot;,serif"></span></p>
<p><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Courier New&quot;">&nbsp;</span><span s=
tyle=3D"font-family:&quot;Aptos&quot;,serif"></span></p>
<p><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Courier New&quot;">Some ADs think that =
it is better to have a refresh/cleanup of RFC7799 instead of proceeding wit=
h the status change as initially planned by BMWG/IPPM WGs. The refresh woul=
d be mainly picking more recent illustration
 examples and update some references in Section 4. That clean-up does not a=
lter/impact the main guidance.</span><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Aptos=
&quot;,serif"></span></p>
<p><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Courier New&quot;">&nbsp;</span><span s=
tyle=3D"font-family:&quot;Aptos&quot;,serif"></span></p>
<p><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Courier New&quot;">If you volunteer to =
lead this refresh, please let ippm/bmwg know. Thank you.</span><span style=
=3D"font-family:&quot;Aptos&quot;,serif"></span></p>
<p><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Courier New&quot;">&nbsp;</span><span s=
tyle=3D"font-family:&quot;Aptos&quot;,serif"></span></p>
<p><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Courier New&quot;">Cheers,</span><span =
style=3D"font-family:&quot;Aptos&quot;,serif"></span></p>
<p><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Courier New&quot;">Med</span><span styl=
e=3D"font-family:&quot;Aptos&quot;,serif"></span></p>
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