[ippm] Re: Joint BMWG/IPPM chartering (2)
<Thomas.Graf-Zc0CTiu5wcBWk0Htik3J/[email protected]> Thu, 9 Jul 2026 08:58:27 +0000
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Inc= luding system calibration in the testing procedures context and IPFIX entit= ies manageability aspects on measurement protocols. https://github.com/ietf-ippm/wg-charter/pull/11/changes We might want to consider to expand "It specifically coordinates with other= WGs such as MPLS, 6MAN, and SPRING where data plane encapsulations are spe= cified" with OPSAWG where IPFIX is being chartered and discussed. We would like to have feedback from both working groups wherever those chan= ges make sense or different proposals on how to address. I remind that we are still looking for more feedback on a working group nam= e. Best wishes Thomas From: Graf Thomas, SCS-INI-NET-VNC-E2E Sent: Thursday, June 11, 2026 10:25 AM To: IETF IPPM WG <[email protected]>; bmwg <[email protected]> Cc: ippm-chairs <[email protected]>; Bmwg-chairs <[email protected]>;= Mohamed Boucadair <[email protected]>; Qin Wu <[email protected]= om> Subject: Joint BMWG/IPPM chartering (2) Dear BMWG and IPPM, Thanks a lot for the good feedback on the proposed joint charter and also t= he implementation policy. You will find the current proposal here: https://github.com/ietf-ippm/wg-ch= arter/blob/main/ippm-bmwg-joint.md And the last changes here: https://github.com/ietf-ippm/wg-charter/commits/= main/ippm-bmwg-joint.md Based on the feedback on implementation policy, we merged the following inp= ut The WG can publish RFCs in all Tracks and expects an implementation for sta= ndard track documents. In some cases an implementation proof might be not n= eeded. Whenever such an exception applies, the exception justification must= be included in the specification document or its write-up Please follow up on this thread if you have comments on the current joint c= harter proposal or implementation policy. Below you find some working group name proposals. We would appreciate feedb= ack on the mailing list on your preference and also please don't hesitate t= o propose alternates. The preliminary agenda will be published on June 19th. We will reach out so= on to collect session requests. We also reserved some time to discuss the p= roposed joint charter. Best wishes Sarah, Giuseppe, Marcus and Thomas BPM a. Benchmarking and Performance Methodologies b. Benchmarking and Performance Measurement BIPP Benchmarking and IP Performance BMPM a. Benchmarking Methodologies and Performance Measurements b. Benchmarking Methodologies and Performance Metrics NETMEASURE Network Measurement BPMP Benchmarking and Performance Measurement Protocols --_000_ZR1P278MB1170A51E0BC78DC244180AC689FE2ZR1P278MB1170CHEP_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <html xmlns:o=3D"urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" xmlns:w=3D"urn:sc= hemas-microsoft-com:office:word" xmlns:m=3D"http://schemas.microsoft.com/of= fice/2004/12/omml" xmlns=3D"http://www.w3.org/TR/REC-html40"> <head> <meta http-equiv=3D"Content-Type" content=3D"text/html; charset=3Dus-ascii"= > <meta name=3D"Generator" content=3D"Microsoft Word 15 (filtered medium)"> <style><!-- /* Font Definitions */ @font-face {font-family:"Cambria Math"; panose-1:2 4 5 3 5 4 6 3 2 4;} @font-face {font-family:Calibri; panose-1:2 15 5 2 2 2 4 3 2 4;} @font-face {font-family:Aptos;} @font-face {font-family:"Trebuchet MS"; panose-1:2 11 6 3 2 2 2 2 2 4;} /* Style Definitions */ p.MsoNormal, li.MsoNormal, div.MsoNormal {margin:0in; font-size:12.0pt; font-family:"Aptos",sans-serif; mso-ligatures:standardcontextual; mso-fareast-language:EN-US;} a:link, span.MsoHyperlink {mso-style-priority:99; color:#467886; text-decoration:underline;} span.EmailStyle19 {mso-style-type:personal-reply; font-family:"Trebuchet MS",sans-serif; color:#0E2841; font-weight:normal; font-style:normal;} .MsoChpDefault {mso-style-type:export-only; font-size:10.0pt; mso-ligatures:none;} @page WordSection1 {size:8.5in 11.0in; margin:70.85pt 70.85pt 56.7pt 70.85pt;} div.WordSection1 {page:WordSection1;} --></style> </head> <body lang=3D"DE-CH" link=3D"#467886" vlink=3D"#96607D" style=3D"word-wrap:= break-word"> <div class=3D"WordSection1"> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tr= ebuchet MS",sans-serif">Dear BMWG and IPPM,<o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tr= ebuchet MS",sans-serif"><o:p> </o:p></span></p> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-= family:"Trebuchet MS",sans-serif">We received two inputs off list= on updating the joint charter proposal. Including system calibration in th= e testing procedures context and IPFIX entities manageability aspects on measurement protocols. <o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-= family:"Trebuchet MS",sans-serif"><o:p> </o:p></span></p> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-= family:"Trebuchet MS",sans-serif;color:#0E2841"><a href=3D"https:= //github.com/ietf-ippm/wg-charter/pull/11/changes">https://github.com/ietf-= ippm/wg-charter/pull/11/changes</a><o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-= family:"Trebuchet MS",sans-serif;color:#0E2841"><o:p> </o:p>= </span></p> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-= family:"Trebuchet MS",sans-serif;color:#0E2841">We might want to = consider to expand "It specifically coordinates with other WGs such as= MPLS, 6MAN, and SPRING where data plane encapsulations are specified" with OPSAWG where IPFIX is being chartered and discuss= ed.<o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-= family:"Trebuchet MS",sans-serif"><o:p> </o:p></span></p> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-= family:"Trebuchet MS",sans-serif;color:#0E2841">We would like to = have feedback from both working groups wherever those changes make sense or= different proposals on how to address.<o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-= family:"Trebuchet MS",sans-serif;color:#0E2841"><o:p> </o:p>= </span></p> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-= family:"Trebuchet MS",sans-serif;color:#0E2841">I remind that we = are still looking for more feedback on a working group name.<o:p></o:p></sp= an></p> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-= family:"Trebuchet MS",sans-serif;color:#0E2841"><o:p> </o:p>= </span></p> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-= family:"Trebuchet MS",sans-serif;color:#0E2841">Best wishes<o:p><= /o:p></span></p> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-= family:"Trebuchet MS",sans-serif;color:#0E2841">Thomas<o:p></o:p>= </span></p> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-= family:"Trebuchet MS",sans-serif;color:#0E2841"><o:p> </o:p>= </span></p> <div> <div style=3D"border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in = 0in 0in"> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"= ;Calibri",sans-serif;mso-ligatures:none;mso-fareast-language:DE-CH">Fr= om:</span></b><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri&quo= t;,sans-serif;mso-ligatures:none;mso-fareast-language:DE-CH"> Graf Thomas, SCS-INI-NET-VNC-E2E <br> <b>Sent:</b> Thursday, June 11, 2026 10:25 AM<br> <b>To:</b> IETF IPPM WG <[email protected]>; bmwg <[email protected]><b= r> <b>Cc:</b> ippm-chairs <[email protected]>; Bmwg-chairs <bmwg-c= [email protected]>; Mohamed Boucadair <[email protected]>;= Qin Wu <[email protected]><br> <b>Subject:</b> Joint BMWG/IPPM chartering (2)<o:p></o:p></span></p> </div> </div> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tr= ebuchet MS",sans-serif">Dear BMWG and IPPM,<o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tr= ebuchet MS",sans-serif"><o:p> </o:p></span></p> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-= family:"Trebuchet MS",sans-serif">Thanks a lot for the good feedb= ack on the proposed joint charter and also the implementation policy.<o:p><= /o:p></span></p> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-= family:"Trebuchet MS",sans-serif"><o:p> </o:p></span></p> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-= family:"Trebuchet MS",sans-serif">You will find the current propo= sal here: </span><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Trebuchet MS"= ,sans-serif"><a href=3D"https://github.com/ietf-ippm/wg-charter/blob/main/i= ppm-bmwg-joint.md"><span lang=3D"EN-US">https://github.com/ietf-ippm/wg-cha= rter/blob/main/ippm-bmwg-joint.md</span></a><o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-= family:"Trebuchet MS",sans-serif">And the last changes here: <a href=3D"https://github.com/ietf-ippm/wg-charter/commits/main/ippm-bmwg-j= oint.md"> https://github.com/ietf-ippm/wg-charter/commits/main/ippm-bmwg-joint.md</a>= <o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-= family:"Trebuchet MS",sans-serif"><o:p> </o:p></span></p> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-= family:"Trebuchet MS",sans-serif">Based on the feedback on implem= entation policy, we merged the following input<o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-= family:"Trebuchet MS",sans-serif"><o:p> </o:p></span></p> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-= family:"Trebuchet MS",sans-serif">The WG can publish RFCs in all = Tracks and expects an implementation for standard track documents. In some = cases an implementation proof might be not needed. Whenever such an exception applies, the exception justification must be in= cluded in the specification document or its write-up<o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-= family:"Trebuchet MS",sans-serif"><o:p> </o:p></span></p> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-= family:"Trebuchet MS",sans-serif"><o:p> </o:p></span></p> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-= family:"Trebuchet MS",sans-serif">Please follow up on this thread= if you have comments on the current joint charter proposal or implementati= on policy.<o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-= family:"Trebuchet MS",sans-serif"><o:p> </o:p></span></p> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-= family:"Trebuchet MS",sans-serif">Below you find some working gro= up name proposals. We would appreciate feedback on the mailing list on your= preference and also please don't hesitate to propose alternates.<o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-= family:"Trebuchet MS",sans-serif"><o:p> </o:p></span></p> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-= family:"Trebuchet MS",sans-serif">The preliminary agenda will be = published on June 19<sup>th</sup>. We will reach out soon to collect sessio= n requests. We also reserved some time to discuss the proposed joint charter.<o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-= family:"Trebuchet MS",sans-serif"><o:p> </o:p></span></p> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-= family:"Trebuchet MS",sans-serif">Best wishes<o:p></o:p></span></= p> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-= family:"Trebuchet MS",sans-serif">Sarah, Giuseppe, Marcus and Tho= mas<o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-= family:"Trebuchet MS",sans-serif"><o:p> </o:p></span></p> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-= family:"Trebuchet MS",sans-serif"><o:p> </o:p></span></p> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-= family:"Trebuchet MS",sans-serif;color:#0E2841">BPM<o:p></o:p></s= pan></p> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-= family:"Trebuchet MS",sans-serif;color:#0E2841">a. Benchmarking a= nd Performance Methodologies<o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-= family:"Trebuchet MS",sans-serif;color:#0E2841">b. 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