Re: [Fwd: CAP-12 - interm version 'A']

What Mark did simply proved that it is possible to do what Bruce had  
asked for.  It is silly for more than one person to have to do this,  
and I always understood this to be a part of the job of the document  
editor.

BTW the whole problem can be simplified a bit if the editor uses a tool  
like xml2rfc and produces diffs using the relevant component files...   
-- Nathaniel

On Monday, September 8, 2003, at 05:31  PM, Mark Smith wrote:

>
> [email protected] wrote:
>
>> If he cant change things in CAP then why are there 707 changes
>> reported by diff?  Whats the rush to have CAP-12 and CAP-12-a so soon
>> after CAP-11 if nothings changed?  If you honestly believe there were
>> "thousands" of typos and grammar changes then I have some land to sell
>> you...
>
> Just looking at your own diff file and doing some math:
>
> Some one cut out many diffs and header/footer from your diff so I am
> guessing to some of these numbers.
>
> (142) were footer changed and would have changed
> anyway because the date of the draft changed.
> That Bruce finds it necessary to comment about on this list.
>
> (147) were because the expire date changed on header
> and elsewhere and would have changed anyway.
> That Bruce finds it necessary to comment about on this list.
>
> The TOC is 3 pages, so I'll assume that is (3) changes in your diff
> count.
> That Bruce finds it necessary to comment about on this list.
>
> (1) changed because the name of the draft version.
>
> That is about (293) utterly nontechnical changes so far that would
> have changed anyway just by releasing a new version.
> That Bruce finds it necessary to comment about on this list.
>
> That leaves about (414) changes.
>
> About (100) typos that were fixed - double words, missing words,
> spelling
> errors and wrong words.
> And Bruce does not comment on or care about on this list.
>
> That leaves about (314) changes.
>
> (1) added explanation about the ordering of properties and parameters.
>     And Bruce does not comment on or care about on this list.
>
> (13) abnf fixes (5 misspelled names fixed).
>      That Bruce does not comment on or care about on this list.
>
> (1) fix to the name of valid/recommended components.
>     And Bruce does not comment on or care about on this list.
>
> (2) changes to remove that mysterious missing text that you can not
>     seem to find.
>     And Bruce does not comment on or care about on this list.
>
> (1) change to the security considerations.
>     And Bruce does not comment on or care about on this list.
>
> Conclusions (based on your 707 number):
>   About 118 changes that if done incorrectly would effect the protocol
>   And Bruce does not comment on or care about on this list.
>
>   And about 589 changes that Bruce seems to focus on that have no
>   effect on the protocol. Again, get a life! It sure looks to me
>   as if Bruce is trying to stall CAP.
>
>> Whats the rush to have CAP-12 and CAP-12-a so soon after CAP-11 i
>> nothings changed?
>
> So you want to complain if he waits for lots of changes.
> And you want to complain if he does not wait for lots of canges.
> You want me to take you seriously?
>
>> If you honestly believe there were "thousands" of typos
>> and grammar changes then I have some land to sell you...
>
> Yet another dishonest (sorry Pat, it is a lie. Enthusiasm is for
> children)
> statement from Bruce. Doug said "thousands WG and private emails" not
> thousands of typos. Now who is the one trying to mislead this list?
>
> Mark
>
>> Bruce
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