Re: [Fwd: CAP-12 - interm version 'A']

Hi Mark.  You are indeed correct there is a lack of chair participation. 
Some of that is on purpose to make sure dialog continues.
Some of that is because we too, Bob and I, can not keep up with the deluge 
of emails, in particular over the last several
months. 

As for concensus, as I have stated many many times, one person making a 
comment does not mean concensus.
Without feedback from people to the list it's hard to get concensus.  I 
have exchanged some emails with people
to get their "read" on whether or not concensus has been reached.  When 
there has been one - i have put it on the list. 
However, one person saying no one responded so we have "concensus" is not 
concensus.  I will say that again and continue
saying that.

So, read into that what you may - I take responsibility where needed. 
However, I do read each and every note and respond
when appropriate.



Mark Smith <[email protected]> 
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09/08/2003 19:37

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Nathaniel Borenstein <[email protected]>
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Re: [Fwd: CAP-12 - interm version 'A']







Nathaniel Borenstein wrote:
>
> What Mark did simply proved that it is possible to do what Bruce had
> asked for.  It is silly for more than one person to have to do this,
> and I always understood this to be a part of the job of the document
> editor.

When I read a draft after reading some previous version of the draft
I do a diff. I do not know of any other IETF list that has produced
diffs of draft versions. I also can not find a list of differences
for versions of any draft except the ones that Doug used to publish.
Check for yourself. I could not find any.

The process seems to be that there is debate then at random times a
new version shows up. I have looked in several IETF lists and web pages
and I think you have been misled by someone on this list that is making
more false statements or is just trying to disrupt this list. It does
not
seem to be normal process.

There also seems to be a lack of chair participation on this list.
It is very hard to find any consensus called even when there is a
overwhelming agreement.

> BTW the whole problem can be simplified a bit if the editor uses a tool
> like xml2rfc and produces diffs using the relevant component files...

If you noticed he also published the XML source on calsch.org and
his web site. And again I could not find any XML diffs published.
Do you know of any?

Mark