Re: GGF's extensions to GSS in Public Comment

Nicolas Williams wrote:
> 
> On Thu, Apr 01, 2004 at 09:37:38AM -0600, Douglas E. Engert wrote:
> >
> >
> > Brian E Carpenter wrote:
> > >
> > > Security ADs,
> > >
> > > With my IETF-GGF liaison hat on... please note that the GGF's extensions
> > > to the GSS-API are open for Public Comment (roughly the equivalent of an IETF
> > > Last Call). So far, I hear that the GGF has not got any response from
> > > attempts to get IETF comment (despite draft-engert-ggf-gss-extensions-00.txt).
> > > This looks like the last chance. Can you kindly pass this on to some
> > > competent reviewers?
> 
> I'm not sure when Mr. Carpenter wrote this since Doug did not include a
> date in the log line, but I assume it was written long after I posted
> draft-williams-gssapi-store-deleg-creds-00.txt to the I-D repository and
> subsequent comments to GGF and IETF lists.

No, I got his note today.   Thu, 01 Apr 2004 17:16:24 +0200

> 
> Neither my comments (made long ago on _both_, GGF and IETF lists) nor
> Sam Hartman's (made on IETF lists; I don't know if he's posted on GGF
> lists) seem to be appreciated by the GGF.

Yes that is a problem that the GGF needs to address. 

> 
> If I hear no replies anytime soon to my comments then I will give up
> trying to comment on this proposal.  I can't say that my employer would
> never implement it, but certainly I think there are serious flaws in
> this proposal and I certainly would not want to implement it as it
> stands.
> 
> > Last week I did send the note below [email protected] (and am cc'ing them
> > on this note.) There was one comment logged from an IETF member, Tim Alsop, which says:
> > "This document (in my opinion) looks ready, but needs to be reviewed
> >  by IETF CAT (or KITTEN) working group to see if there are any
> >  concerns from IETF community."
> 
> I hate to say this Doug but Tim's comment on the CAT WG list was the
> least significant of all comments made recently. 

The point was that Tim sent the comment to the GGF in response to the 
request to make comments on the web site. Sort of encougaging others,
such as yourself, to add your own comment on the GGF web page.  If nothing else,
that you feel that the GGF has failed to address your previous comments. 


> Issues were raised,
> particularly with respect to the way that the GGF has failed to address
> comments raised on its and IETF's lists.  To quote the lone voice in
> favor of the proposal as it stands and leave out the others is, well,
> not useful.

I was not quoting him as in favor, but rather that it needed reviewing by the IETF. 
(He said both.)

> 
> > The consencus as far as I can tell is to talk about it at the proposed
> > CAT BOF at the next IETF. This may not be the time fram that the GGF was looking for.
> 
> I don't quite agree with this.
> 
> The GGF could have responded to Sam's or my comments months ago.  It
> still can. 
> 
> And I would still welcome replies from the GGF and give them serious
> consideration, and I'm sure Sam might be amenable also -- there's no
> need to wait until August to discuss this.

That is my intention here as well, to get some dialog going between
the GGF and IETF not between myself and other ITEF members. 

> 
> No, there is no CAT WG (or successor), yet, but this does not mean that
> an IETF document on GSS-API extensions can't be published, discussed and
> progressed, if only the authors would deign to pursue it.

I know I am listed as an author, but I am not on this project any longer.
and don't attend the GGF. But I do have an interest in GSSAPI being
a single standard fromthe IETF. So it is up to others in GGF to respond. 

> 
> Let's not forget either that we (by which I mean Doug, myself and
> others) have discussed some of these issues in hallway conversations at
> IETF meetings and at KRB WG interim meetings, not just discussions on
> some mailing lists; it's not as though the GGF published an IETF-related
> proposal that the IETF then proceeded to ignore.
>
> Cheers,
> 
> Nico
> --

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