RE: Is CDI dead?
"Mark Day" <[email protected]> Thu, 3 Apr 2003 07:51:23 -0500
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This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_021E_01C2F9B5.D23460C0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable RE: Is CDI dead?I am not happy about having this mailing list used for = product advertisements. Please don't pursue this any further. I don't try to sell my company's products to this WG, and I'd like = everyone else to do likewise. Thanks, --Mark -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]]On Behalf = Of jayasurya venugopalan Sent: Thursday, April 03, 2003 4:03 AM To: Mark Day; Elisa Turrini; [email protected] Cc: [email protected] Subject: RE: Is CDI dead? With ref to this extract from you rmail: The reality of CDI is that we've gone from having "lots of CDN operators, many interested in interoperation" to having = "very few CDN operators, all focused on survival". You can't make progress = on standardization efforts when the stakeholders are unwilling or unable = to participate. I agree with you in toto. I personally feel that the cost of CDN hardware like the Content = Engine or Switch is quite expensive for the times we are in now. Not that we need Content Networking less , actually there is a = greater need for really fast access of high bandwidth consuming = multimedia converged content. Solutions like Justin Chapweske's Tornado Web Raid CDN which is = essentially an intelligent peer to peer solution based on an intelligent = content gateway inside the corporate net, and intelligent "onion peers", = merits attention for a solution for today for fast access of content = rich media. I refer you to : http://onionnetworks.com for information and comments re Justin's solution. With Rgds jayasurya -----Original Message-----=20 From: Mark Day [mailto:[email protected]]=20 Sent: Thu 4/3/2003 12:21 PM=20 To: Elisa Turrini; [email protected]=20 Cc:=20 Subject: RE: Is CDI dead? I think it's important to distinguish a working group from an = interest group. No-one is saying that CDI is an uninteresting topic. Many of us = expect that the subject will once again attract a sufficient level of attention = in the future to warrant standardization efforts. But the IETF does not = charter working groups based on "2 or 3" people who want to comment on = things. And a working group that has reached the point of being defended on the = basis that there might still be a few people who want to talk about things = is basically not functioning as a working group any more. There are many interesting things that are not standardized. (And = there are many things standardized that are not very interesting!) It's = important to keep track of what kind of group you're dealing with and what kind = of work is to be done there. The reality of CDI is that we've gone from = having "lots of CDN operators, many interested in interoperation" to having = "very few CDN operators, all focused on survival". You can't make = progress on standardization efforts when the stakeholders are unwilling or = unable to participate. --Mark > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]]On = Behalf Of > Elisa Turrini > Sent: Wednesday, April 02, 2003 10:39 AM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: Is CDI dead? > > > [ post by non-subscriber. with the massive amount of spam, it is > easy to miss > and therefore delete posts by non-subscribers. if you wish to = regularly > post from an address that is not subscribed to this mailing = list, send a > message to <listname>[email protected] and ask to have the = alternate > address added to the list of addresses from which submissions = are > automatically accepted. ] > > On 18-03-2003 23:28, "jayasurya venugopalan" <[email protected]> = wrote: > > > Hi, > > I feel if even only 2or 3 of us are interested we should carry = on. > > Some of us may not be in a postion to actively contribute but > we could well > > observe and comment. > > I agree with you. > > I wrote two short papers about CDI and I am still investigating = the CDI > issues. > > You can find the papers at: > http://www.cs.unibo.it/~turrini/PAPERS/ > > Comments are welcome. > > Regards, > > Elisa > > > > ------=_NextPart_000_021E_01C2F9B5.D23460C0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable =EF=BB=BF<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"> <HTML><HEAD><TITLE>RE: Is CDI dead?</TITLE> <META http-equiv=3DContent-Type content=3D"text/html; charset=3Dutf-8"> <META content=3D"MSHTML 6.00.2600.0" name=3DGENERATOR></HEAD> <BODY dir=3Dltr> <DIV><SPAN class=3D622194612-03042003><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff = size=3D2>I am=20 not happy about having this mailing list used for product = advertisements. =20 Please don't pursue this any further.</FONT></SPAN></DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=3D622194612-03042003><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff = size=3D2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=3D622194612-03042003><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff = size=3D2>I=20 don't try to sell my company's products to this WG, and I'd like = everyone else=20 to do likewise.</FONT></SPAN></DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=3D622194612-03042003><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff = size=3D2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=3D622194612-03042003><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff = size=3D2>Thanks,</FONT></SPAN></DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=3D622194612-03042003><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff = size=3D2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=3D622194612-03042003><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff = size=3D2>--Mark</FONT></SPAN></DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE dir=3Dltr=20 style=3D"PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px = solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px"> <DIV class=3DOutlookMessageHeader dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><FONT = face=3DTahoma=20 size=3D2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> = [email protected]=20 [mailto:[email protected]]<B>On Behalf Of </B>jayasurya=20 venugopalan<BR><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, April 03, 2003 4:03 = AM<BR><B>To:</B>=20 Mark Day; Elisa Turrini; [email protected]<BR><B>Cc:</B>=20 [email protected]<BR><B>Subject:</B> RE: Is CDI=20 dead?<BR><BR></FONT></DIV> <DIV>With ref to this extract from you rmail:</DIV> <DIV> <FONT size=3D2>The reality of CDI is that we've gone from=20 having<BR>"lots of CDN operators, many interested in interoperation" = to having=20 "very<BR>few CDN operators, all focused on survival". You can't = make=20 progress on<BR>standardization efforts when the stakeholders are = unwilling or=20 unable to<BR>participate.</FONT><BR></DIV> <DIV> I agree with you in toto.</DIV> <DIV> I personally feel that the cost of CDN hardware like = the=20 Content Engine or Switch is quite expensive for the times we are in = now.</DIV> <DIV> Not that we need Content Networking less , actually there = is a=20 greater need for really fast access of high bandwidth consuming = multimedia=20 converged content.</DIV> <DIV> Solutions like Justin Chapweske's Tornado Web Raid CDN = which is=20 essentially an intelligent peer to peer solution based on an = intelligent=20 content gateway inside the corporate net, and intelligent "onion = peers",=20 merits attention for a solution for today for fast access of content = rich=20 media.</DIV> <DIV> I refer you to :</DIV> <DIV> <A=20 href=3D"http://onionnetworks.com">http://onionnetworks.com</A></DIV> <DIV>for information and comments re Justin's solution.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>With Rgds</DIV> <DIV>jayasurya</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE dir=3Dltr style=3D"MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px"> <DIV><FONT size=3D2>-----Original Message----- <BR><B>From:</B> Mark = Day=20 [mailto:[email protected]] <BR><B>Sent:</B> Thu 4/3/2003 12:21 PM=20 <BR><B>To:</B> Elisa Turrini; [email protected] <BR><B>Cc:</B>=20 <BR><B>Subject:</B> RE: Is CDI dead?<BR><BR></FONT></DIV> <P><FONT size=3D2>I think it's important to distinguish a working = group from=20 an interest<BR>group.<BR><BR>No-one is saying that CDI is an = uninteresting=20 topic. Many of us expect that<BR>the subject will once again = attract a=20 sufficient level of attention in the<BR>future to warrant = standardization=20 efforts. But the IETF does not charter<BR>working groups based on "2 = or 3"=20 people who want to comment on things. And<BR>a working group = that has=20 reached the point of being defended on the basis<BR>that there might = still=20 be a few people who want to talk about things is<BR>basically not=20 functioning as a working group any more.<BR><BR>There are many = interesting=20 things that are not standardized. (And there are<BR>many things = standardized=20 that are not very interesting!) It's important to<BR>keep = track of=20 what kind of group you're dealing with and what kind of work<BR>is = to be=20 done there. The reality of CDI is that we've gone from = having<BR>"lots=20 of CDN operators, many interested in interoperation" to having = "very<BR>few=20 CDN operators, all focused on survival". You can't make = progress=20 on<BR>standardization efforts when the stakeholders are unwilling or = unable=20 to<BR>participate.<BR><BR>--Mark<BR><BR><BR>> -----Original=20 Message-----<BR>> From: [email protected] [<A=20 = href=3D"mailto:[email protected]">mailto:[email protected]</A>]= On=20 Behalf Of<BR>> Elisa Turrini<BR>> Sent: Wednesday, April 02, = 2003=20 10:39 AM<BR>> To: [email protected]<BR>> Subject: Re: Is CDI=20 dead?<BR>><BR>><BR>> [ post by non-subscriber. with = the=20 massive amount of spam, it is<BR>> easy to = miss<BR>> and=20 therefore delete posts by non-subscribers. if you wish to=20 regularly<BR>> post from an address that is not = subscribed to=20 this mailing list, send a<BR>> message to=20 <listname>[email protected] and ask to have the=20 alternate<BR>> address added to the list of addresses = from=20 which submissions are<BR>> automatically accepted.=20 ]<BR>><BR>> On 18-03-2003 23:28, "jayasurya venugopalan"=20 <[email protected]> wrote:<BR>><BR>> > Hi,<BR>> = > I=20 feel if even only 2or 3 of us are interested we should carry = on.<BR>>=20 > Some of us may not be in a postion to actively contribute = but<BR>>=20 we could well<BR>> > observe and comment.<BR>><BR>> I = agree with=20 you.<BR>><BR>> I wrote two short papers about CDI and I am = still=20 investigating the CDI<BR>> issues.<BR>><BR>> You can find = the=20 papers at:<BR>> <A=20 = href=3D"http://www.cs.unibo.it/~turrini/PAPERS/">http://www.cs.unibo.it/~= turrini/PAPERS/</A><BR>><BR>>=20 Comments are welcome.<BR>><BR>> Regards,<BR>><BR>>=20 = Elisa<BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>><BR><BR><BR></FONT></P></BLOCKQUOTE>= </BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML> ------=_NextPart_000_021E_01C2F9B5.D23460C0--