Re: recommendation on DHCP6 source port numbers

On Wed, 28 Feb 2024, 18:47 Ole Troan, <[email protected]>
wrote:

> Bernie,
>
> > No. Normal UDP communication rules apply. A client sends traffic to a
> well-known destination port and it is free to select whatever port number
> it likes as the source port. The server’s response is sent from that well
> known port (as source port) and sent to the client’s selected port (as
> destination port). This is normal communication and dhcpv6 follows it. That
> is why nothing is said or needs to be said about the client source port.
>
> I’m with Tomoyuki here.
>
> "
> 7.2. UDP Ports
>
> Clients listen for DHCP messages on UDP port 546. Servers and relay
> agents listen for DHCP messages on UDP port 547.
>
> “
>
> Just checked my little scapy based DHCPv6 server and I do:
>
>        reply = (Ether(src=self.interface_info.mac, dst=request[Ether].src)
> /
>                     IPv6(src=self.interface_info.ip6ll,
> dst=request[IPv6].src) /
>                     UDP(sport=547, dport=546) /
>                     DHCP6_Reply(trid=trid) /
>                     DHCP6OptServerId(duid=self.duid) /
>                     DHCP6OptClientId(duid=clientduid) /
>                     DHCP6OptIA_NA(iaid=request[DHCP6OptIA_NA].iaid, T1=t1,
> T2=t2,
>                                   ianaopts = DHCP6OptIAAddress(addr=ipv6,
>
>  preflft=self.preflft,
>
>  validlft=self.validlft)
>                     )
>
>
> I couldn’t find any text supporting your position Bernie.


RFC 8085/BCP 145 on UDP usage guidelines recommends randomised source ports
to protect against off-path data injection.

Regards,
Mark.


Although I would be fine if that was also the outcome.
> As another implementor I cannot figure out what the correct behaviour is
> from the RFC.
>
> Cheers,
> Ole
>
>
>
> > - Bernie Volz
> >
> >> On Feb 26, 2024, at 1:00 AM, Tomoyuki Sahara <tsahara=
> [email protected]> wrote:
> >>
> >> Hi, DHC wg members:
> >>
> >> Can we make recommendations on source port numbers of DHCP6 messages
> >> in rfc8415bis?
> >>
> >> DHCP6 specification says that DHCP6 clients and servers listen on UDP
> >> port 546 and 547 respectively, in RFC8415 section 7.2.  It implies
> >> that DHCP6 clients MUST send messages to UDP port 547 (server port) and
> >> servers MUST send messages to UDP port 546 (client port) to work with
> >> their counterpart correctly (though restrictions can be relaxed with
> >> RFC8357 for relays).
> >>
> >> But it says nothing about source port numbers.  Without any
> >> restrictions, some implementations use ephemeral source port
> >> (e.g. 12345) to send their messages.  DHCP6 conversations look like:
> >>
> >> 1. client send Solicit    fe80::2#49876    -> ff02::1:2#547
> >> 2. server send Advertise  fe80::1#547      -> fe80::2#546 (!)
> >> 3. client send Request    fe80::2#49877(?) -> ff02::1:2#547
> >> 4. server send Confirm    fe80::1#547      -> fe80::2#546
> >>
> >> This behavior is not prohibited by the specification but makes
> >> confusions for DHCP6 implementer and network/firewall operators (*1).
> >> Most Internet protocols nowadays assume that servers send response
> >> messages from the port number they received on.
> >> (*1 e.g. https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=952126 )
> >>
> >> In my humble opinion, it is too late to require that DHCP6 client and
> >> server MUST send messages from the fixed port number (546/547) because
> >> there are too many DHCP6 implementations in the wild.  But making a
> >> recommendation is helpful for new implementations/deployments of DHCP6.
> >>
> >> An idea to make such recommendation is adding a text in rfc8415bis:
> >>
> >> OLD:
> >>   7.2. UDP Ports
> >>     Clients listen for DHCP messages on UDP port 546.  Servers and
> >>     relay agents listen for DHCP messages on UDP port 547.
> >>
> >> NEW:
> >>   7.2. UDP Ports
> >>     Clients listen for DHCP messages on UDP port 546.  Servers and
> >>     relay agents listen for DHCP messages on UDP port 547.
> >>
> >>     Clients are RECOMMENDED to send DHCP messages from UDP port 546.
> >>     Servers and relay agents are RECOMMENDED to send DHCP messages
> >>     from UDP port 547 (unless relay agent includes Relay Source Port
> >>     Option for DHCP6 [RFC8357]).
> >>
> >> I know WGLC has been concluded but I believe the recommendations above
> >> encourage new implementations to use the standard DHCP6 port numbers
> >> on UDP source port.
> >>
> >>
> >> Best regards,
> >> Tomoyuki Sahara
> >>
> >>
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