[art] Re: [DNSOP] DNS-designated Public Key Authorities (DKA)

Ben:

Sorry for the late reply. I was traveling.

Regarding the LLM: I did not know there was a policy saying that AI-assisted messages should say so. I used Perplexity to grammar-check and clean-up my previous message, but the content was fully mine and I stand by my points and arguments. If the message was long, it’s my prolixity, not Perplexity’s.

Let's step back a bit and ask what a relying party needs from a key distribution framework. An RP needs two things: know where to find a key for an identifier, and what basis it has for trusting that key for a given use case?

As a key distribution framework, this is what DKA brings to the table.

  1.
the observation that email addresses are useful Internet-wide identifiers across a wide range of use cases, not just email.
  2.
a distributed architecture aligned to the email address syntax and therefore domains and DNS, which makes discovery simple and deterministic.
  3.
DKA as a DNS-discoverable endpoint that could live anywhere (including outside its domain),
  4.  application and algorithm-agnostic key distribution, so an identifier can be associated with many selector-based keys implementing any algorithm from RSA to PQC.
  5.
one baseline trust model (mailbox control) which is useful for some use cases, and
  6.
an extensibility mechanism (‘verification_methods’) to cater to other trust models, including CA-certified keys.

Many of these ideas have been proposed in the past. What DKA contributes is to separate functions that have been conflated or application-bound in past proposals. See Section 1.1-1.3 of the I-D.

So DKA is not being proposed as a cryptographic panacea. It is being proposed as an architecture for discovery and distribution of public keys for email addresses (as identifiers) and making the trust basis of each returned key explicit to the RP. Mailbox control is just one trust signal (see it as a starter kit).

Best early use cases are those that recognize the possibility of DNS-based discovery compromise and augment their assurance model with a second trust channel such as MFA, out-of-band
verification, or certificate validation.

Note that the discovery channel need not bear the sole burden of trust for all keys discovered through it. Some of that burden can be carried by second factors, and in some cases, a key can carry that burden itself through a CA-certificate.

Going back to where we started: DNSSEC MUST v SHOULD:
In the current version of the draft, the trust model is mailbox control (and optional dkim-validation). Requiring DNSSEC as a MUST for DKA designation, while the underlying key-to-identifier trust model is based on mechanisms that are only DNSSEC SHOULD is not architecturally coherent: we’ll be hardening the channel more than the signal that flows through the channel. It also risks signaling to RPs that the returned key carries more assurance than the underlying trust model actually provides.

For the above reasons, the DKA specifies DNSSEC SHOULD rather than MUST.

If you have any further questions or comments, I’d love to hear them.

Cheers,

Kishore


From: Ben Schwartz <[email protected]>
Date: Friday, June 12, 2026 at 1:14 PM
To: S Kishore <[email protected]>
Cc: Bob Traverz <[email protected]>, Art Area <[email protected]>, [email protected] <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: [art] Re: [DNSOP] DNS-designated Public Key Authorities (DKA)

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On Wed, Jun 10, 2026 at 7:35 PM S Kishore <[email protected]> wrote:
...
> DKA is no more vulnerable than other DNS-designated domain services.

Yes, but it is more sensitive.  It purports to distribute keys
associated with some email address, not an attacker, for arbitrary
uses (including encryption of sensitive material and authentication of
access to accounts and services).

> A DNS-level DKA attack is a disruption vector, not a precision credential-theft vector.

No, it's a powerful impersonation vector for all identities on the
domain.  The claim that an attack might be detectable after it has
already been performed is (1) too late and (2) highly speculative.
The IETF normally assumes a much stronger threat model, especially in
the context of key distribution.

> A DKA can monitor its own DNS designation and detect unauthorized changes.

No, the attack can be scoped to specific victim clients.

> DKA redirection alone does not give the attacker access to encrypted content.

It effectively does.  Otherwise the keys aren't actually necessary and
we could dispense with DKA entirely.

> Mandating DNSSEC would create a deployment barrier.

Yes.  That intrinsic deployment barrier may explain why this
relatively obvious idea has not been substantially deployed even
though it has been technically feasible for decades.

--Ben

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