RE: Moving AS3 forward.
"Terry Harding" <[email protected]> Fri, 21 Oct 2005 10:12:10 -0700
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Here are the additional changes I am recommending to the AS3 draft to =
support your request for better
clarity to the spec. =20
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Lets start our discussions here. Please respond to the list.=20
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Thanks
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Terry Harding
Cyclone Commerce Inc.
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7.2 Message Disposition Notifications (MDN)=20
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The AS3-MDNs are returned on a separate FTP TCP/IP=20
connection and are a response to an AS3 message.=20
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The following diagram illustrates the delivery of an=20
AS3-MDN delivery:
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AS3-MDN
[S] ----( connect )----> [R] [FTP Server]
[S] ----( send )-------> [R] [AS3-Message]
[S] ----( disconnect )-> [R] [FTP Server]
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[S] <---( connect )----- [R] [FTP Server]
[S] <---( send )-------- [R] [AS3-MDN]]
[S] <---( disconnect )-- [R] [FTP Server]
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Note: Refer to Section 7.4.4 for additional
programming notes.
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7.4.4 Additional AS3-MDN Programming Notes
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9. An AS3 implementation MUST present to its trading partners
an ftp compliant server interface where inbound documents
and mdns are received.
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10. An AS3 implementation MUST be able to retrieve inbound
messages from it's currently configured ftp server interface. =20
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Note: Programming Notes 9 and 10 do not imply any specific method
for supplying the ftp server interface. But, does allow for=20
several different types of implementations. Some vendors may
choose to imbed an ftp compliant server interface within their =
product and others may choose to utilize off-the-shelf ftp =
servers
to supply the required ftp server interface. Some may choose to =
utilize hosting services provide by their trading partner or by =
a=20
third party hosting service. Whichever method is utilized, an
AS3 implementation MUST support rules 9 and 10.
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11. AS3 implementations MAY imbed an ftp server interface within =
their
product.=20
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12. AS3 implementations MUST be configurable to allow the use of=20
an external ftp hosting service.=20
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Note: An external ftp hosting service may be hosted by a third-party =
Or possibly hosted by your trading partner.
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13. An AS3 implementation MUST be able to send business documents =20
and mdns to a trading partner's currently configured ftp server =
interface.=20
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14. An AS3 implementation may imbed ftp client code into their =
product
or use an third-party ftp client.
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15. Example Configurations
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1. Peer to Peer
TPA is using a local ftp server and TPB is using an imbedded =
ftp
=20
server.=20
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[A Client] ----( connect )----> [B Server]
[A Client] ----( send )-------> [B Server] [AS3-Message]
[A Client] ----( disconnect )-> [B Server]
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[A Server] <---( connect )----- [B Client]
[A Server] <---( send )-------- [B Client] [AS3-MDN]]
[A Server] <---( disconnect )-- [B Server]
[A Client] <---( GET )--------- [A Server] =20
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2. Third Party Hosting
Both parties are using the same third-party hosted ftp =
server.
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[A Client] ----( connect )----> [Hosted Server]
[A Client] ----( send )-------> [Hosted Server] [AS3-Message]
[A Client] ----( disconnect )-> [Hosted Server]
[Hosted Server]( GET )--------> [B Client]
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[Hosted Server] <---( connect )----- [B Client]
[Hosted Server] <---( send )-------- [B Client] [AS3-MDN]]
[Hosted Server] <---( disconnect )-- [B Client]
[A Client] <---( GET )--------- [Hosted Server] =
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3. Trading Partner Hosting
TPA is using the imbedded ftp server hosted by TPB.
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[A Client] ----( connect )----> [B Server]
[A Client] ----( send )-------> [B Server] [AS3-Message]
[A Client] ----( disconnect )-> [B Server]
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[B Server] <---( connect )----- [B Client]
[B Server] <---( send )-------- [B Client] [AS3-MDN]]
[B Server] <---( disconnect )-- [B Client]
[A Client] <---( GET )--------- [B Server] =20
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________________________________
From: [email protected] =
[mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Colombier Guillaume
Sent: Friday, October 21, 2005 9:54 AM
To: [email protected]
Cc: Dale Moberg; Debra Petta
Subject: RE: Moving AS3 forward.
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Hi,
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Following the AS3 certification this year, and especially our last =
conference call, I've been in touch with Terry
Harding to discuss scenarios that were part of the certification process =
but that, according to me, were not
detailed engough in the draft (hosting, not hosting the FTP server =
etc...).
I know that this is not directly linked to AS3 messages format but more =
to the binding with FTP, however I think
that this should be addressed in the standard which must be exhaustive =
enough for somebody implementing
AS3 to sucessfully go through the certification. This is my point and I =
would be very pleased to discuss this
with the group.
I know that Terry had worked on it but I don't know if he had time to =
publish a new draft (I haven't received any new
document through the e-list).
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By the way, I agree with Debra, we've all put a lot of development and =
testing effort into our product for the AS3
support and I'd like to see it moved forward in the standard process.=20
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________________________________
-----Message d'origine-----
De : [email protected] =
[mailto:[email protected]]De la part de Debra Petta
Envoy=E9 : vendredi 21 octobre 2005 18:27
=C0 : [email protected]
Cc : Dale Moberg
Objet : RE: Moving AS3 forward.
I'd like to see it moved forward in the standards process.
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We've all put a lot of development and testing efforts into our AS3 =
products
and it would be nice to see some market acceptance for AS3.
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-----Original Message-----
From: [email protected] =
[mailto:[email protected]]On Behalf Of Dale Moberg
Sent: Friday, October 21, 2005 11:13 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Moving AS3 forward.
Hi
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It seems to me that AS3 draft is pretty stable. Is there anyone on the =
list that either=20
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1. has concerns about it moving forward=20
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or=20
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2. would like to see it be moved forward in the standards process?
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If you are an implementer or just an interested party, please post a =
message to the list concerning your position on this. We need to get =
some indication of the groups's consensus on this in the record.
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We can then lobby Rik D.
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Thanks
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<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'text-autospace:none'><font size=3D2 =
face=3DArial><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>Here are the additional =
changes I am
recommending to the AS3 draft to support your request for =
better<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'text-autospace:none'><font size=3D2 =
face=3DArial><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>clarity to the spec.=A0 =
<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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face=3DArial><span
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<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'text-autospace:none'><font size=3D2 =
face=3DArial><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>Lets start our discussions =
here. =A0Please
respond to the list. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'text-autospace:none'><font size=3D2 =
face=3DArial><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>Cyclone Commerce =
Inc.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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face=3DArial><span
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nt></p>
<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'text-autospace:none'><font size=3D2 =
face=3DArial><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>7.2=A0 Message Disposition
Notifications (MDN) <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'text-autospace:none'><font size=3D2 =
face=3DArial><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'><o:p> </o:p></span></fo=
nt></p>
<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'text-autospace:none'><font size=3D2 =
face=3DArial><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>=A0=A0 The AS3-MDNs are =
returned on a
separate FTP TCP/IP <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'text-autospace:none'><font size=3D2 =
face=3DArial><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>=A0=A0 connection and are a =
response to
an AS3 message. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'text-autospace:none'><font size=3D2 =
face=3DArial><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>=A0=A0 =
<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'text-autospace:none'><font size=3D2 =
face=3DArial><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>=A0=A0 The following =
diagram illustrates
the delivery of an <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'text-autospace:none'><font size=3D2 =
face=3DArial><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>=A0=A0 AS3-MDN =
delivery:<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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face=3DArial><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 =
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AS3-MDN<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'text-autospace:none'><font size=3D2 =
face=3DArial><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 =
[S] ----( connect )---->
[R]=A0=A0 [FTP Server]<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'text-autospace:none'><font size=3D2 =
face=3DArial><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 =
[S] ----( send )------->
[R]=A0=A0 [AS3-Message]<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'text-autospace:none'><font size=3D2 =
face=3DArial><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 =
[S] ----( disconnect )->
[R]=A0=A0 [FTP Server]<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'text-autospace:none'><font size=3D2 =
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style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 =
[S] <---( connect )-----
[R]=A0=A0 [FTP Server]<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'text-autospace:none'><font size=3D2 =
face=3DArial><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 =
[S] <---( send )--------
[R]=A0=A0 [AS3-MDN]]<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'text-autospace:none'><font size=3D2 =
face=3DArial><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 =
[S] <---( disconnect )--
[R]=A0=A0 [FTP Server]<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'text-autospace:none'><font size=3D2 =
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style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>=A0=A0=A0 Note:=A0 Refer to =
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programming notes.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'text-autospace:none'><font size=3D2 =
face=3DArial><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>7.4.4=A0 Additional AS3-MDN
Programming Notes<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'text-autospace:none'><font size=3D2 =
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<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'text-autospace:none'><font size=3D2 =
face=3DArial><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>=A0=A0=A0 9.=A0 An AS3 =
implementation MUST
present to its trading partners<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'text-autospace:none'><font size=3D2 =
face=3DArial><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 an =
ftp compliant server
interface where inbound documents<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'text-autospace:none'><font size=3D2 =
face=3DArial><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 and =
mdns are received.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'text-autospace:none'><font size=3D2 =
face=3DArial><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>=A0<o:p></o:p></span></font>=
</p>
<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'text-autospace:none'><font size=3D2 =
face=3DArial><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>=A0=A0 10.=A0 An AS3 =
implementation MUST
be able to retrieve inbound<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'text-autospace:none'><font size=3D2 =
face=3DArial><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 =
messages from it's currently
configured ftp server interface.=A0 <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'text-autospace:none'><font size=3D2 =
face=3DArial><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'><o:p> </o:p></span></fo=
nt></p>
<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'text-autospace:none'><font size=3D2 =
face=3DArial><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>=A0=A0 Note: Programming =
Notes 9 and 10
do not imply any specific method<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'text-autospace:none'><font size=3D2 =
face=3DArial><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 =
for supplying the ftp
server interface. But, does allow for <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'text-autospace:none'><font size=3D2 =
face=3DArial><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 =
several different types of
implementations.=A0 Some vendors may<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'text-autospace:none'><font size=3D2 =
face=3DArial><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 =
choose to imbed an ftp
compliant server interface within their=A0 <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'text-autospace:none'><font size=3D2 =
face=3DArial><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 =
product and others may
choose to utilize off-the-shelf ftp servers<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'text-autospace:none'><font size=3D2 =
face=3DArial><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 to =
supply the required ftp
server interface. Some may choose to <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'text-autospace:none'><font size=3D2 =
face=3DArial><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 =
utilize hosting services
provide by their trading partner or by a <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'text-autospace:none'><font size=3D2 =
face=3DArial><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 =
third party hosting
service. Whichever method is utilized, an<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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face=3DArial><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 =
AS3 implementation MUST
support rules 9 and 10.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'text-autospace:none'><font size=3D2 =
face=3DArial><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>=A0=A0=A0 11.=A0 AS3 =
implementations MAY
imbed an ftp server interface within their<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'text-autospace:none'><font size=3D2 =
face=3DArial><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 =
product. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'text-autospace:none'><font size=3D2 =
face=3DArial><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'><o:p> </o:p></span></fo=
nt></p>
<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'text-autospace:none'><font size=3D2 =
face=3DArial><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>=A0=A0=A0 12.=A0 AS3 =
implementations MUST be
configurable to allow the use of <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'text-autospace:none'><font size=3D2 =
face=3DArial><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 an =
external ftp hosting
service. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'text-autospace:none'><font size=3D2 =
face=3DArial><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'><o:p> </o:p></span></fo=
nt></p>
<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'text-autospace:none'><font size=3D2 =
face=3DArial><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>=A0=A0=A0 Note: An external =
ftp hosting
service may be hosted by a third-party <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'text-autospace:none'><font size=3D2 =
face=3DArial><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 =
Or possibly hosted by your
trading partner.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'text-autospace:none'><font size=3D2 =
face=3DArial><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'><o:p> </o:p></span></fo=
nt></p>
<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'text-autospace:none'><font size=3D2 =
face=3DArial><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>=A0=A0=A0 13.=A0 An AS3 =
implementation MUST
be able to send business documents=A0 <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'text-autospace:none'><font size=3D2 =
face=3DArial><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 =
and mdns to a trading
partner's currently configured ftp server <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'text-autospace:none'><font size=3D2 =
face=3DArial><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 =
interface. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'text-autospace:none'><font size=3D2 =
face=3DArial><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'><o:p> </o:p></span></fo=
nt></p>
<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'text-autospace:none'><font size=3D2 =
face=3DArial><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>=A0=A0=A0 14.=A0 An AS3 =
implementation may
imbed ftp client code into their product<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'text-autospace:none'><font size=3D2 =
face=3DArial><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 or =
use an third-party ftp
client.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'text-autospace:none'><font size=3D2 =
face=3DArial><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'><o:p> </o:p></span></fo=
nt></p>
<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'text-autospace:none'><font size=3D2 =
face=3DArial><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>=A0=A0=A0 15.=A0 Example =
Configurations<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'text-autospace:none'><font size=3D2 =
face=3DArial><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>=A0=A0 =
<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'text-autospace:none'><font size=3D2 =
face=3DArial><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 1. =
Peer to Peer<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'text-autospace:none'><font size=3D2 =
face=3DArial><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=
=A0 TPA is using a local ftp
server and TPB is using an imbedded ftp<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'text-autospace:none'><font size=3D2 =
face=3DArial><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'><o:p> </o:p></span></fo=
nt></p>
<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'text-autospace:none'><font size=3D2 =
face=3DArial><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=
=A0 server. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'text-autospace:none'><font size=3D2 =
face=3DArial><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'><o:p> </o:p></span></fo=
nt></p>
<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'text-autospace:none'><font size=3D2 =
face=3DArial><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 [A =
Client] ----( connect
)----> [B Server]<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'text-autospace:none'><font size=3D2 =
face=3DArial><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 [A =
Client] ----( send
)-------> [B Server] [AS3-Message]<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'text-autospace:none'><font size=3D2 =
face=3DArial><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 [A =
Client] ----( disconnect
)-> [B Server]<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'text-autospace:none'><font size=3D2 =
face=3DArial><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'><o:p> </o:p></span></fo=
nt></p>
<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'text-autospace:none'><font size=3D2 =
face=3DArial><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 [A =
Server] <---( connect
)----- [B Client]<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'text-autospace:none'><font size=3D2 =
face=3DArial><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 [A =
Server] <---( send
)-------- [B Client] [AS3-MDN]]<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'text-autospace:none'><font size=3D2 =
face=3DArial><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 [A =
Server] <---(
disconnect )-- [B Server]<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'text-autospace:none'><font size=3D2 =
face=3DArial><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 [A =
Client] <---( GET
)--------- [A Server]=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 =
<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'text-autospace:none'><font size=3D2 =
face=3DArial><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'><o:p> </o:p></span></fo=
nt></p>
<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'text-autospace:none'><font size=3D2 =
face=3DArial><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 2. =
Third Party Hosting<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'text-autospace:none'><font size=3D2 =
face=3DArial><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=
=A0 Both parties are using
the same third-party hosted ftp server.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'text-autospace:none'><font size=3D2 =
face=3DArial><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'><o:p> </o:p></span></fo=
nt></p>
<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'text-autospace:none'><font size=3D2 =
face=3DArial><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 [A =
Client] ----( connect
)----> [Hosted Server]<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'text-autospace:none'><font size=3D2 =
face=3DArial><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 [A =
Client] ----( send
)-------> [Hosted Server] [AS3-Message]<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'text-autospace:none'><font size=3D2 =
face=3DArial><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 [A =
Client] ----( disconnect
)-> [Hosted Server]<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'text-autospace:none'><font size=3D2 =
face=3DArial><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 =
[Hosted Server]( GET
)--------> [B Client]<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'text-autospace:none'><font size=3D2 =
face=3DArial><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'><o:p> </o:p></span></fo=
nt></p>
<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'text-autospace:none'><font size=3D2 =
face=3DArial><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 =
[Hosted Server] <---(
connect )----- [B Client]<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'text-autospace:none'><font size=3D2 =
face=3DArial><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 =
[Hosted Server] <---(
send )-------- [B Client] [AS3-MDN]]<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'text-autospace:none'><font size=3D2 =
face=3DArial><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 =
[Hosted Server] <---(
disconnect )-- [B Client]<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'text-autospace:none'><font size=3D2 =
face=3DArial><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 [A =
Client]=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 <---(
GET )--------- [Hosted Server]=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 =
<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'text-autospace:none'><font size=3D2 =
face=3DArial><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'><o:p> </o:p></span></fo=
nt></p>
<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'text-autospace:none'><font size=3D2 =
face=3DArial><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 3. =
Trading Partner Hosting<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'text-autospace:none'><font size=3D2 =
face=3DArial><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=
=A0 TPA is using the
imbedded ftp server hosted by TPB.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'text-autospace:none'><font size=3D2 =
face=3DArial><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'><o:p> </o:p></span></fo=
nt></p>
<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'text-autospace:none'><font size=3D2 =
face=3DArial><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 [A =
Client] ----( connect
)----> [B Server]<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'text-autospace:none'><font size=3D2 =
face=3DArial><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 [A =
Client] ----( send
)-------> [B Server] [AS3-Message]<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'text-autospace:none'><font size=3D2 =
face=3DArial><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 [A =
Client] ----( disconnect
)-> [B Server]<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'text-autospace:none'><font size=3D2 =
face=3DArial><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'><o:p> </o:p></span></fo=
nt></p>
<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'text-autospace:none'><font size=3D2 =
face=3DArial><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 [B =
Server] <---( connect
)----- [B Client]<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'text-autospace:none'><font size=3D2 =
face=3DArial><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 [B =
Server] <---( send
)-------- [B Client] [AS3-MDN]]<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'text-autospace:none'><font size=3D2 =
face=3DArial><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 [B =
Server] <---(
disconnect )-- [B Client]<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'text-autospace:none'><font size=3D2 =
face=3DArial><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 [A =
Client] <---( GET
)--------- [B Server]=A0 <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<div>
<div class=3DMsoNormal align=3Dcenter style=3D'text-align:center'><font =
size=3D3
face=3D"Times New Roman"><span style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'>
<hr size=3D2 width=3D"100%" align=3Dcenter tabindex=3D-1>
</span></font></div>
<p class=3DMsoNormal><b><font size=3D2 face=3DTahoma><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Tahoma;font-weight:bold'>From:</span></font></b><font =
size=3D2
face=3DTahoma><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'>
[email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] =
<b><span
style=3D'font-weight:bold'>On Behalf Of </span></b>Colombier =
Guillaume<br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Friday, October 21, =
2005
9:54 AM<br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> =
[email protected]<br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>Cc:</span></b> <st1:PersonName =
w:st=3D"on">Dale
Moberg</st1:PersonName>; Debra Petta<br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> RE: Moving AS3 =
forward.</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span =
style=3D'font-size:
12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<div>
<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dblue face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue'>Hi,</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span =
style=3D'font-size:
12.0pt'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dblue face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue'>Following the AS3 certification =
this
year, and especially our last conference call, I've been in touch =
with
Terry<br>
Harding to discuss scenarios that were part of the certification =
process
but that, according to me, were not</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dblue face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue'>detailed engough in the draft
(hosting, not hosting the FTP server =
etc...).</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dblue face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue'>I know that this is not =
directly
linked to AS3 messages format but more to the binding with =
FTP, however
I think</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dblue face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue'>that this should be addressed in =
the
standard which must be exhaustive enough for somebody =
implementing</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dblue face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue'>AS3 to sucessfully go =
through
the certification. This is my point and I would be very pleased to =
discuss this</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dblue face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue'>with the =
group.</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dblue face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue'>I know that Terry had worked =
on it
but I don't know if he had time to publish a new draft (I haven't =
received any
new</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dblue face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue'>document through the =
e-list).</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span =
style=3D'font-size:
12.0pt'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dblue face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue'> By the way, I agree
with Debra, we've all put a lot of development and testing =
effort
into our product for the AS3</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dblue face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue'>support and I'd like to see it =
moved
forward in the standard process. </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span =
style=3D'font-size:
12.0pt'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p style=3D'margin-left:.5in'><b><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy =
face=3DArial><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy;font-weight:bold'>=
________________________________<o:p></o:p></span></font></b></p>
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style=3D'margin-top:5.0pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:5.0pt'>
<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-bottom:12.0pt'><font size=3D2 =
face=3DTahoma><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'>-----Message =
d'origine-----<br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>De :</span></b>
[email protected] =
[mailto:[email protected]]<b><span
style=3D'font-weight:bold'>De la part de</span></b> Debra Petta<br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>Envoy=E9 :</span></b> vendredi =
21 octobre
2005 18:27<br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>=C0 :</span></b> =
[email protected]<br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>Cc :</span></b> <st1:PersonName =
w:st=3D"on">Dale
Moberg</st1:PersonName><br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>Objet :</span></b> RE: Moving =
AS3
forward.</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dblue face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue'>I'd like to see it moved forward in =
the
standards process.</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span =
style=3D'font-size:
12.0pt'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dblue face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue'>We've all put a lot of development =
and
testing efforts into our AS3 products</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dblue face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue'>and it would be nice to see some =
market
acceptance for AS3.</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span =
style=3D'font-size:
12.0pt'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-bottom:12.0pt'><font size=3D2 =
face=3DTahoma><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'>-----Original =
Message-----<br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>From:</span></b> =
[email protected]
[mailto:[email protected]]<b><span =
style=3D'font-weight:bold'>On
Behalf Of </span></b><st1:PersonName w:st=3D"on">Dale =
Moberg</st1:PersonName><br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Friday, October 21, =
2005
11:13 AM<br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> =
[email protected]<br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Moving AS3 =
forward.</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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style=3D'margin-top:5.0pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:5.0pt'>
<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>Hi<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>It seems to me that AS3 draft is pretty stable. Is =
there
anyone on the list that either <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>1. has concerns about it moving forward =
<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>or <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>2. would like to see it be moved forward in the =
standards
process?<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>If you are an implementer or just an interested =
party,
please post a message to the list concerning your position on this. We =
need to
get some indication of the groups’s consensus on this in the =
record.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>We can then lobby Rik D.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>Thanks<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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