Re: I-D Renewal

Yes, automated updates that have no content are bad. But the rules make
them necessary.So people are going to be wasting other people's time with
content free updates until the rules are changed.

Blame the rules, not the people having to work round them.

I have a large system with multiple connected drafts some of which have
been essentially stable for 5 years or more. When I write a new draft that
builds on that existing functionality, I have to update all the drafts
because otherwise the very people who consider draft expiry to be holy
scripture would be sneering about references to expired drafts.


We could also improve matters by eliminating the draft update cutoff and
replacing it with a cutoff on accepting presentations and drafts in the
meeting materials manager. People should be able to decide whether they are
going to attend a meeting on the basis of what is discussed before the
early registration cutoff.

The current system of freezing drafts and then allowing updates after the
meeting starts allows people to do some of the dirtiest of tricks I have
seen in a standards process.


On Wed, Apr 1, 2026 at 3:41 PM Brian E Carpenter <
[email protected]> wrote:

> On 01-Apr-26 21:11, Julian Reschke wrote:
> > Am 01.04.2026 um 09:00 schrieb Rob Sayre:
> >> Julian Reschke <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>>
> wrote:
> >>   > Please don't unless you're actually making changes to the draft's
> >> contents.
> >>
> >> Hi,
> >>
> >> That's the point, though. People frequently make these content-free
> >> updates manually to avoid expiry.
> >
> > Which is a bad idea.
>
> +1
>
> >
> >> This part can be automated.
> >
> > Which makes it worse.
>
> +1
>
> >
> >> An easier option is just removing expiry from I-Ds . They do not in fact
> >> expire anyway, so it's just a ceremony.
>
> +1
>
> >
> > Yes, but that's a different thing.
>
> Just to note that this anachronism is one of the targets of
> draft-carpenter-gendispatch-anachronisms, which has been dispatched for
> possible future consideration by PROCON.
>
>     Brian
>
>
>