Re: I STRONGLY OPPOSE ipv8 proposal.

wolfy <[email protected]> Fri, 17 Apr 2026 16:26:51 +0000

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You were missing the point.

You are proposing a surveillance state to fix an addressing and
management issue, badly. I went into extreme detail on this.

https://open.substack.com/pub/shitwolfymakes/p/we-need-to-talk-about-the-ipv8-dr
aft

Your proposal automate suppression at every conceivable scale, and violates the
letter and spirit of multiple RFCs

- wolfy




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-------- Original Message --------
On Friday, 04/17/26 at 11:21 Jamie Thain <[email protected]> wrote:

> Sotrdg, 
> 
> Thank you for your words. The goal is not to deprecate ipv6. I believe most of
> the mobile carriers will continue to use their ipv6 infrastructure. 
> 
> IPv8 is meant to fix the management issues in ipv4. 
> 
> It's to fix the global address structure. 
> 
> Ipv6 can be as easily intercepted and blocked as can ipv4. So it's not the
> protocol allowing you access. It is the lack of implementation. 
> 
> When ipv6 grows to a meaningful level, China will add it to the great Wall. 
> 
> So with that said, ipv8 is not a social political issue, it's a technical
> issue. 
> 
> Jamie 
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> On Fri., Apr. 17, 2026, 1:01 p.m. sotrdg sotrdg, <[email protected]> wrote:
> 
> > 1. IPv8 makes Governments across the globe much easier to block IP and
> > censor internet. I am from China and i use ipv6 to bypass the great
> > firewall. ipv8 makes this much easier to block since it reuses existing ipv4
> > (which is blocked for sure) and its address space is very small. this ipv8
> > proposal is just another attempt of big tech and governments around the
> > world tries to kill open internet.
> > 
> > 2. Implementing ipv8 means deprecating ipv6 which is a huge problem.  it is
> > not really solving anything
> > 
> > 3. it is not easy to implement ipv8 at all. Android OEMs locks down
> > bootloaders and not mentioning routers too. That means billions of devices
> > immediately e-waste since they will not get updated to support ipv8. It is
> > just another N+1 problem.
> > 
> > 4. ipv8's address space is WAY too small. 2^64 may be enough for
> > representing a machine but it does not count things like virtual machines
> > which might use tons of ip addresses for a very good reason.
> > 
> > 5. To say ipv6 is not adopted is very untrue since i am using ipv6 every day
> > to bypass internet censorship. All my traffic, even this email comes from
> > ipv6. this is just completely bs proposal

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