Re: The growing number of "x402" documents

Hi,

John C Klensin <[email protected]> writes:
> Authors, I'm not against this -- I have no opinion at all-- but
would like to avoid wasting a lot of everyone's time on what appear to be
rather detailed specs unless the IETF wants to take this work on.

“The IETF” is largely made of the participants that volunteer their time
and insight on the mailing lists, right? If enough people come together and
say “let’s work on this together” then we have a clue, perhaps more so if a
BoF forms. If not, then the outcome _should_ be self-selecting.

On Mon, May 25, 2026 at 7:31 AM Simon Josefsson <simon=
[email protected]> wrote:
> There is certainly a trend to restrict contributions to the IETF only for
pre-approved topics/content going on, so limiting I-D's to be approved by
the IESG seems to harmonize with that effort.

Can you share how this trend is demonstrated anywhere? Last I checked, an
I-D of any kind, for any purpose can be pushed to the datatracker just
fine. If someone cares to engage with one I-D or the other, that’s a whole
other case and one that is determined by demonstrable interest on the
mailing list.

If there is a visible pattern that suggests otherwise, that would certainly
be an interesting topic to explore but perhaps in a different thread, or
maybe John is raising x402 as one such possible pattern?

Cheers,

Nathanael


On Mon, May 25, 2026 at 7:31 AM Simon Josefsson <simon=
[email protected]> wrote:

> John C Klensin <[email protected]> writes:
>
> > Authors, I'm not against this -- I have no opinion at all-- but would
> > like to avoid wasting a lot of everyone's time on what appear to be
> > rather detailed specs unless the IETF wants to take this work on.  I
> > also think we should avoid even the possibility of an appearance that
> > publication of Internet-Drafts implies IETF endorsement of the work.
> > I assume the latter is not your intent, but none of us can control
> > the behavior of others.
>
> I find this argument interesting - are you saying the IETF should stop
> accepting open publication of I-D documents?
>
> There is certainly a trend to restrict contributions to the IETF only
> for pre-approved topics/content going on, so limiting I-D's to be
> approved by the IESG seems to harmonize with that effort.
>
> Could x402 offer a IETF liaison to mediate the interactions?  See
> https://www.ietf.org/about/liaisons/ for the process.
>
> /Simon
>