Re: Comments on Composition and Comportment of the IETF Nominating Committee draft

On 7/7/26 5:40 PM, Brian E Carpenter wrote:
> On 08-Jul-26 09:23, John Levine wrote:
>> It appears that Mallory Knodel <[email protected]> said:
>>> Sure. But, is this process… working? There is no data.
>>>
>>> (Other than abysmal gender representation.)
>>
>> We know who applies for each position and who the nomcom selects. 
>> When you
>> looked at the relative diversity of the applicants and the selectees 
>> in recent
>> years, what did you find?
>>
>> No amount of futzing with the nomcom process is going to make a 
>> difference if
>> the only applicants are (to oversimplify only slightly) two guys from 
>> the San
>> Francisco suburbs. We need to work on making the IETF as a whole more 
>> welcoming
>> to as wide a range of people as practical. I know it's possible 
>> because I've
>> seen it happen at M3AAWG and (for all its faults) ICANN, both of 
>> which have way
>> more women in leadership roles than we do.
>
> I think the root of the problem is deeper - it lies within the corporate
> culture of the networking part of the IT industry. Who gets funded to 
> participate
> in the IETF and to travel to meetings? Of course we should do what we 
> can to
> make the IETF attractive to everybody - maybe ISOC could run a 
> campaign - but
> the problem is definitely in the "supply chain". 

   OK, a couple of things....

   1. who is instigating this whole thing? Notice how she doesn't have a 
corporate
       funder? (unless there's some connection in the NGO money 
laundering complex,
       and please disclose if so).

   2. we constantly praise our corporate backers for funding the IETF-- 
"thank you
      to our gold sponsors!" and "thank you to our diversity and 
inclusion sponsors"
      and "thank you to our other sponsors". So is this part of the 
(root of the)
      problem? Shall we just renounce this "supply chain" and hope the 
IETF can
      continue?

   Dan.

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