Re: [Geopriv] Adding GPS location to IPv6 header

Hi Ammar,

On Nov 22, 2012, at 2:43 AM, Ammar Salih wrote:
> I can see almost everyone agrees to that the RIR info is not accurate and in
> many cases is incorrect, so why the hassle of assigning wrong locations? And
> why developers are building their applications based on incorrect
> information.

If this information is for application-layer consumption, it should be provided at the application layer. If existing application-layer mechanisms aren't providing what developers need, they should be improved.

> 
> And frankly speaking, I don't agree to *sending wrong location information
> to protect our privacy*, it's either you send correct ones and get the
> benefits of location-based services or you don't.

There is an important set of use cases where sending precise but spoofed location information can be very important (stalking, domestic violence, labor disputes/whistleblowing, etc.) -- when someone else who is tracking your location needs to see a location reported other than where you were. Again since the use context is required for supporting these, application-layer mechanisms and controls are the best tools for delivering this sort of privacy protection.

Alissa  

> 
> Thanks,
> Ammar 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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> Subject: Re: [Geopriv] Adding GPS location to IPv6 header
> 
>>> You can probably get a *hint* about my location from an IP lookup. 
>>> You can definitely not be certain my location
>> 
>> Well, with the new draft, you can do the same, location accuracy can 
>> be tweaked to reflect city only, or city and region..etc.
> 
> And what makes you think I'm interested in publishing this?
> 
>>> it tells me the correct *country* for the IP. However, both the 
>>> region and the city are wrong.
>> 
>> That is the whole point, why are we happy with providing incorrect 
>> information? It's even without our awareness or control.
> 
> I don't particularly *want* to publish this information. Therefore, if the
> geolocation data is to a large degree wrong, that's just fine!
> 
> My whole point was simply meant as a counterargument to your "I can simply
> do ip lookup and find out your location". And my claim is that no, you can't
> really "simply" do that. And I like it that way.
> 
> Steinar Haug, Nethelp consulting, [email protected]
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