RE: [Geopriv] teasing apart: http as a GEOPRIV using protocol
Ted Hardie <[email protected]>
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Hi Martin, Having not seen your note, I already took a stab it, along much the same lines you suggest. Clearly, the attached -00 (not yet in the drafts directories) is the barest of bare bones, but I thought it might be useful to sketch that out as a contrast to some of the real applications which might use HTTP as a using protocol. I believe this also differs from RELO in that it is focused on the transport of PIDF-LO, which is slightly different from RELO's remit. But clearly, there are strong connections there. And if the phrase "strawman" in the title doesn't signal that I don't think this is a done piece of work, allow this too. regards, Ted Hardie At 7:50 PM -0500 7/27/06, Dawson, Martin wrote: >Hi Andy, > >I'll take a stab at it. Not that HTTP is a valid *using protocol* but, >rather, that the location reference does not actually identify a using >protocol and, in fact, HTTP would only be the transport protocol... > >3693 states: > The "using protocol" is the protocol that uses (reads or modifies) > the Location Object. A protocol that just transports the LO as a > string of bits, without looking at them (like an IP storage protocol > could do), is not a using protocol, but only a transport protocol. > Nevertheless, the entity or protocol that caused the transport > protocol to move the LO is responsible for the appropriate > distribution, protection, usage, retention, and storage of the LO > based on the rules that apply to that LO. > >A location reference which provided an HTTP URI indicates that the >entity that is going to be used to request the LO is to be communicated >with using HTTP. Because of the rules associated with the PIDF-LO, it >can be inferred that the entity and whatever semantics are associated >with the HTTP communications with that entity will honor the >requirements. That is, HTTP is only the transport protocol. An HTTP GET >has to be interpreted by the receiving entity within the scope of a >using protocol - with its associated set of rules and semantics - which >go beyond HTTP and which do respect the geopriv requirements. Indeed, >this is generally the case - sending an HTTP GET to an arbitrary IP node >can yield any number of results depending what that node actually does. >The client needs to understand the purpose of that server in the scope >of some higher level protocol. > >To use another example, a location reference could be an IP address. >There's nothing inherent in IP that honors the geopriv rules, but that >doesn't stop the reference being valid nor say that the protocol used >between a client and that IP address would not honor the rules. > >The purpose of the SIP conveyance specification is to say how a LO or >reference can be transferred from one entity to another using SIP. It's >out of scope for a SIP specification to mandate anything about the >transport protocol or to infer anything about using protocol implied by >that transport. As has been previously mentioned, this would be subject >to separate specification and BCP - lest the SIP conveyance >specification become overly rigid and subject to unnecessary maintenance >and churn. > >Cheers, >Martin > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Andrew Newton [mailto:[email protected]] >> Sent: Thursday, 27 July 2006 10:45 PM >> To: IETF SIP List; GEOPRIV >> Subject: [Geopriv] teasing apart: http as a GEOPRIV using protocol >> >> There have been a number of opinions regarding HTTP as a using >protocol. >> >> I'd like to know, how many people believe that HTTP requires no or >> very little specification to meet the requirements in RFC 3693 and >> RFC 3694. If you believe this, what basis do you have for this >> conclusion? Or do you believe more specification needs to be done, >> but it is possible for HTTP to be a GEOPRIV using protocol? > > >> Finally, how many people believe that HTTP should not be a using >> protocol? >> >> -andy >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Geopriv mailing list >> [email protected] >> https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/geopriv > >------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ >This message is for the designated recipient only and may >contain privileged, proprietary, or otherwise private information. >If you have received it in error, please notify the sender >immediately and delete the original. Any unauthorized use of >this email is prohibited. >------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ >[mf2] > >_______________________________________________ >Geopriv mailing list >[email protected] >https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/geopriv _______________________________________________ Sip mailing list https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/sip This list is for NEW development of the core SIP Protocol Use [email protected] for questions on current sip Use [email protected] for new developments on the application of sip
draft-hardie-geopriv-https-strawman-00.txt
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Network Working Group T. Hardie
Internet-Draft Qualcomm, Inc.
Expires: January 30, 2007
A Strawman proposal for HTTPS as a PIDF-LO Transport Protocol
draft-hardie-geopriv-https-strawman-00.txt
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Abstract
This document describes a strawman approach to using HTTP (HTTP)
over TLS (TLS) with Digest Authentication to transport PIDF-LO
(RFC 4119) objects. It is a GEOPRIV transport protocol as
described in section 5.2 or RFC 3693 (RFC 3693)
1. Requirements notation
The key words "MUST", "MUST NOT", "REQUIRED", "SHALL", "SHALL NOT",
"SHOULD", "SHOULD NOT", "RECOMMENDED", "MAY", and "OPTIONAL" in this
document are to be interpreted as described in [RFC 2119].
2. Introduction
This document describes a strawman approach for HTTP to transport
PIDF-LO objects. RFC 3693, Section 5.2 says the following about
Geopriv transport protocols:
"A protocol that just transports the LO as a string of bits, without
looking at them (like an IP storage protocol could do), is not a
using protocol, but only a transport protocol. Nevertheless, the
entity or protocol that caused the transport protocol to move the
LO is responsible for the appropriate distribution, protection,
usage, retention, and storage of the LO based on the rules that
apply to that LO."
While it might be possible to describe HTTP as a transport protocol
and punt all of the requirements to the layer above HTTP, this
document describes a layering of HTTP over TLS with Digest
Authentication in use between client and server, so that a
common set of mechanisms for privacy and authentication are
established.
3. Applicability Statement
HTTP can be used as a substrate to a number of different applications,
and defining a set of guidelines for the transport of PIDF-LO for
any application which might use HTTP would be difficult or impossible.
This document does not attempt that task. Instead, it is limited in
applicability to the case where a client uses an HTTP GET request
to retrieve a PIDF-LO object from a server or uses HTTP PUT to
publish a PIDF-LO object to a server. No other functionality
is covered. This document does not describe how you would determine
the URI of the PIDF=LO document or the appropriate server to query.
This document does not describe HTTP as a "using protocol" which,
in GeoPRIV terms, is a protocol which "uses (reads or modifies)
the Location Object".
4. Steps for retrieval
4.1 The client uses HTTPS to connect to the server.
The client establishes an HTTPS connection to the server, as
described in RFC 2818. At the TLS layer, the use of
TLS_NULL_WITH_NULL_NULL MUST NOT be used as the CipherSuite.
4.2 The client authenticates to the server.
The client authenticates to the server using HTTP's digest
authentication mechanism as described in RFC 2617 and updated
by the errata.
4.3 The client retrieves the resource.
The client retrieves the PIDF-LO resource using an HTTP GET
request.
5. Steps for publication.
5.1 The client uses HTTPS to connect to the server.
The client establishes an HTTPS connection to the server, as
described in RFC 2818. At the TLS layer, the use of
TLS_NULL_WITH_NULL_NULL MUST NOT be used as the CipherSuite.
5.2 The client authenticates to the server.
The client authenticates to the server using HTTP's digest
authentication mechanism as described in RFC 2617 and updated
by the errata.
5.3 The client publishes the resource.
The client publishes the PIDF-LO resource using an HTTP PUT
request.
6. IANA Considerations
This document does not imply any actions for IANA.
7. Security Considerations
This document presumes that the use of TLS as substrate to HTTP
is sufficient to protect the privacy of the PIDF-LO content while
in flight. It also presumes that Digest Authentication, combined
with the TLS-layer authentication, is sufficient to enable a client
and server to authenticate to one another. There is ongoing work
to update Digest Authentication, and those may eventually require
an update to the recommended authentication method.
8. References
(Citations incomplete; to be completed as above)
9.1 Normative References
[3] Bradner, S., "Key words for use in RFCs to Indicate Requirement
Levels", RFC 2119, BCP 14, March 1997.
[9] Peterson, J., "A Presence-based GEOPRIV Location Object Format",
RFC 4119, December 2005.
9.2 Informative References
Author's Addresses
Ted Hardie
Qualcomm, Inc.
Email: [email protected]
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