Re: AD review of draft-ietf-imapapnd-appendlimit-extension-06

On 17/12/2015 23:20, Barry Leiba wrote:
>> Say a server has a limit of 50 MB. Before this extension, an attacker
>> first tries to APPEND 25 MB and it succeeds.
>> Then he tries  40MB and that too succeeds. Finally he tries 60 MB to
>> find the limit of server and use that as start of attack. With this extension
>> the attacker can find the limit in no time, making it easy for him to
>> attack.
> OK, I see the point now.  It seems a little thin (but, then, the
> document does already say it is) -- I can just try to append 300MB,
> using non-synch literal, right from the start.
>
> But perhaps this will be more satisfying:
>
> OLD
>     The IMAP APPENDLIMIT extension described in this document can
>     conceivably be used to facilitate Denial-of-Service attacks.
>     Specifically, the information contained in the APPENDLIMIT capability
>     and use of the APPEND command make it somewhat quicker and easier to
>     devise an efficacious Denial-of-Service attack.  However, unless
>     implementations are very weak, these extensions do not create any
>     vulnerability that has not always existed with IMAP.
> NEW
>     The IMAP APPENDLIMIT extension described in this document can
>     conceivably be used to facilitate Denial-of-Service attacks by allowing
>     an attacker to home in on a critical value right away.  The attacker
>     might want to send a large data block to the server repeatedly,
>     forcing the server to process the block, but would not want to limit
>     the scope of its attack by filling an actual mailbox with successful
>     appends.  Without this extension, the attacker needs to guess: a
>     too-small guess results in an appended message that takes up the
>     user's quota, while a far-too-large guess might simply cause the
>     server to terminate the connection because of suspected abuse.
>
>     But with this extension, the attacker can immediately choose a
>     value that's a little too large, but not so much as to trigger an "abuse"
>     response, making it easier to mount such an attack.
>
>     To mitigate this extension's input to such an attack, a server might
>     take a harder line on message sizes that are above the APPENDLIMIT
>     value -- because the client knows the limit and should not even be
>     trying to send such commands, a server might consider even a single
>     attempt to be abusive, and terminate the IMAP connection straight
>     away.
> END
>
> How's that work for you?
I think this is fine. There is still a problem with clients that don't 
observe APPENDLIMIT and are used by a significant portion by MSP users, 
but hopefully pressure on vendors can help with that.

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