RE: Recharter IPoRPR WG

"Wil Costales" <[email protected]> Tue, 15 Mar 2005 19:38:02 -0800
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I agree with Albert,  we should address the issues and order a process to
facilitate between these standard bodies (i.e. liaisons ).  Once we develop
this roadmap we can have a better understanding for the tasks at hand.

 

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From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of
Albert Herrera
Sent: Monday, March 14, 2005 7:11 PM
To: Glenn Parsons; [email protected]
Cc: [email protected]
Subject: RE: [IPORPR] Recharter IPoRPR WG

 

Glenn,

 

I know we're encouraging cross participation between the standards bodies
but we really need a free and easy flow of information between IPORPR, IEEE
802.17 and ITU-T SG15 on established and developing specifications specially
for those working towards RFCs within the IETF. I know we casually discussed
this a while back but we don't have a mechanism nor an official notice from
the other standards bodies as to how we are to facilitate this.

 

We have to address this before starting work on the drafts.

 

Thanks,

Albert

 

Albert Herrera

TELUS National Systems

 

 

 


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From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of
Glenn Parsons
Sent: Monday, March 14, 2005 12:06 PM
To: [email protected]
Cc: [email protected]; [email protected]; [email protected]; [email protected]
Subject: RE: [IPORPR] Recharter IPoRPR WG

Italo, 

Thanks for the review. 

IP and MPLS encapsulation over RPR are in charter -- though I can see that
is not completely clear from the latest version of the charter.

And the intent is coordination with all of ITU-T SG15 with Q9 being the
coordination point as it has been in the past. 

Cheers, 
Glenn. 

-----Original Message----- 
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Sent: Monday, March 14, 2005 8:16 AM 
To: Parsons, Glenn [CAR:1A14:EXCH] 
Cc: [email protected]; [email protected]; [email protected]; [email protected] 
Subject: RE: [IPORPR] Recharter IPoRPR WG 

 

Glenn, 

I think that the group should also cover the mapping of MPLS over RPR. 

Moreover, regarding ITU SG15 relationships, I think we need to include also
Q.11/15 and Q.12/15 in addition to Q.9/15 because all of these three
questions are currently considering RPR.

Below you can find a proposed revised version of the "Description of Working
Group". 

Best regards, Italo 

Description of Working Group: 

Resilient Packet Rings (RPR), developed within the IEEE 802.17 RPR WG,
provides substantial enhancements in both efficiency and flexibility over
current bi-directional ring topologies. Benefits of resilient packet rings
include spatial re-use (full utilization of both counter-rotating rings)
while maintaining protection switching during media faults, as well as
defined mechanisms for topology discovery, congestion control, and
protection switching. Reference the IEEE 802.17 RPR WG at
http://www.ieee802.org/17/ for further information.  IEEE 802.17-2004 is
currently published and work is in progress on bridging enhancements.

The IPORPR Working Group will produce two documents: 

   1) An IPORPR Framework that describes some of the features and 
      characteristics of 802.17 RPR, and how they might be exploited 
      by, e.g., IP or MPLS. For example, an RPR ring can be accessed 
      in a number of ways: it can be viewed as a "dumb" LAN supporting 
      traditional broadcast a la Ethernet (called "basic mode"), or its 
      advanced features could be exploited. 

   2) An IPORPR definition of how to transport IP and MPLS over 802.17 RPR
in 
      "basic mode". This document will cover encapsulation formats 
      (e.g., IPv4/IPv6, MPLS), how to perform address resolution (e.g.,
ARP/ND), IP 
      multicast transmission, priority mapping to the RPR 
      "serviceClass", etc. 

There are no formal liaisons between the IPORPR working group and other
standards bodies.  However, cross participation is encouraged in the key RPR
activities in these standards bodies:

- IEEE 802.17  (http://www.ieee802.org/17/) 
- ITU-T SG15 Q9 (http://www.itu.int/ITU-T/studygroups/com15/sg15-q9.html) 
- ITU-T SG15 Q11 (http://www.itu.int/ITU-T/studygroups/com15/sg15-q11.html) 
- ITU-T SG15 Q12 (http://www.itu.int/ITU-T/studygroups/com15/sg15-q12.html) 

-----Original Message----- 
From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]]On Behalf Of
Glenn Parsons 
Sent: Tuesday, March 01, 2005 00:29 
To: [email protected] 
Subject: [IPORPR] Recharter IPoRPR WG 

 

Folks, 
The IPoRPR WG has been in hibernation for quite some time.  Given the
publication of IEEE 802.17 last year, it is time to shut down this WG...  or
recharter and do something. Assuming there is some interest in the latter, I
have attached a revised charter proposal that our AD will be reviewing with
the IESG shortly. Let us know if you have any comments. Cheers, Glenn
Parsons [email protected]










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[email protected]<br>
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<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> RE: [IPORPR] =
Recharter
IPoRPR WG</span></font></p>

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<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dblue face=3DArial><span =
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<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dblue face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue'>I know we're encouraging cross
participation between the standards bodies but we really need&nbsp;a =
free and
easy&nbsp;flow of information&nbsp;between IPORPR, IEEE 802.17 and ITU-T =
SG15
on established and developing specifications specially for those working
towards RFCs within the IETF. I know we casually discussed this a while =
back
but we don't have a mechanism nor an official notice from the other =
standards
bodies as to how we are to facilitate this.</span></font></p>

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[email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] <b><span
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<p><font size=3D2 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>Italo,</span></font>
</p>

<p><font size=3D2 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>Thanks
for the review.</span></font> </p>

<p><font size=3D2 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>IP and
MPLS encapsulation over RPR are in charter -- though I can see that is =
not
completely clear from the latest version of the =
charter.</span></font></p>

<p><font size=3D2 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>And the
intent is coordination with all of ITU-T SG15 with Q9 being the =
coordination
point as it has been in the past.</span></font> </p>

<p><font size=3D2 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>Cheers,</span></font>
<br>
<font size=3D2><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>Glenn.</span></font> =
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<p><font size=3D2 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span =
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</span></font><br>
<font size=3D2><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>Sent: Monday, March 14, =
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[CAR:1A14:EXCH]</span></font>
<br>
<font size=3D2><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>Cc: [email protected];
[email protected]; [email protected]; [email protected]</span></font> <br>
<font size=3D2><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>Subject: RE: [IPORPR] =
Recharter
IPoRPR WG</span></font> </p>

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<p><font size=3D2 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>Glenn,</span></font>
</p>

<p><font size=3D2 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>I think
that the group should also cover the mapping of MPLS over =
RPR.</span></font> </p>

<p><font size=3D2 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>Moreover,
regarding ITU SG15 relationships, I think we need to include also =
Q.11/15 and
Q.12/15 in addition to Q.9/15 because all of these three questions are
currently considering RPR.</span></font></p>

<p><font size=3D2 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>Below you
can find a proposed revised version of the &quot;Description of Working
Group&quot;.</span></font> </p>

<p><font size=3D2 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>Best
regards, Italo</span></font> </p>

<p><font size=3D2 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>Description
of Working Group:</span></font> </p>

<p><font size=3D2 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>Resilient
Packet Rings (RPR), developed within the IEEE 802.17 RPR WG, provides
substantial enhancements in both efficiency and flexibility over current
bi-directional ring topologies. Benefits of resilient packet rings =
include
spatial re-use (full utilization of both counter-rotating rings) while
maintaining protection switching during media faults, as well as defined
mechanisms for topology discovery, congestion control, and protection
switching. Reference the IEEE 802.17 RPR WG at <a
href=3D"http://www.ieee802.org/17/" =
target=3D"_blank">http://www.ieee802.org/17/</a>
for further information.&nbsp; IEEE 802.17-2004 is currently published =
and work
is in progress on bridging enhancements.</span></font></p>

<p><font size=3D2 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>The
IPORPR Working Group will produce two documents:</span></font> </p>

<p><font size=3D2 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>&nbsp;&nbsp;
1) An IPORPR Framework that describes some of the features =
and</span></font> <br>
<font size=3D2><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; =
characteristics
of 802.17 RPR, and how they might be exploited</span></font> <br>
<font size=3D2><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; by,
e.g., IP or MPLS. For example, an RPR ring can be accessed</span></font> =
<br>
<font size=3D2><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; in a
number of ways: it can be viewed as a &quot;dumb&quot; LAN =
supporting</span></font>
<br>
<font size=3D2><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
traditional broadcast a la Ethernet (called &quot;basic mode&quot;), or =
its</span></font>
<br>
<font size=3D2><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
advanced features could be exploited.</span></font> </p>

<p><font size=3D2 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>&nbsp;&nbsp;
2) An IPORPR definition of how to transport IP and MPLS over 802.17 RPR =
in</span></font>
<br>
<font size=3D2><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
&quot;basic mode&quot;. This document will cover encapsulation =
formats</span></font>
<br>
<font size=3D2><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
(e.g., IPv4/IPv6, MPLS), how to perform address resolution (e.g., =
ARP/ND), IP</span></font>
<br>
<font size=3D2><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
multicast transmission, priority mapping to the RPR</span></font> <br>
<font size=3D2><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
&quot;serviceClass&quot;, etc.</span></font> </p>

<p><font size=3D2 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>There are
no formal liaisons between the IPORPR working group and other standards
bodies.&nbsp; However, cross participation is encouraged in the key RPR
activities in these standards bodies:</span></font></p>

<p><font size=3D2 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>- IEEE
802.17&nbsp; (<a href=3D"http://www.ieee802.org/17/" =
target=3D"_blank">http://www.ieee802.org/17/</a>)</span></font>
<br>
<font size=3D2><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>- ITU-T SG15 Q9 (<a
href=3D"http://www.itu.int/ITU-T/studygroups/com15/sg15-q9.html" =
target=3D"_blank">http://www.itu.int/ITU-T/studygroups/com15/sg15-q9.html=
</a>)</span></font>
<br>
<font size=3D2><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>- ITU-T SG15 Q11 (<a
href=3D"http://www.itu.int/ITU-T/studygroups/com15/sg15-q11.html" =
target=3D"_blank">http://www.itu.int/ITU-T/studygroups/com15/sg15-q11.htm=
l</a>)</span></font>
<br>
<font size=3D2><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>- ITU-T SG15 Q12 (<a
href=3D"http://www.itu.int/ITU-T/studygroups/com15/sg15-q12.html" =
target=3D"_blank">http://www.itu.int/ITU-T/studygroups/com15/sg15-q12.htm=
l</a>)</span></font>
</p>

<p><font size=3D2 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>-----Original
Message-----</span></font> <br>
<font size=3D2><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>From: =
[email protected] [<a
href=3D"mailto:[email protected]">mailto:[email protected]</a=
>]On
Behalf Of Glenn Parsons</span></font> <br>
<font size=3D2><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>Sent: Tuesday, March 01, =
2005 00:29</span></font>
<br>
<font size=3D2><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>To: =
[email protected]</span></font> <br>
<font size=3D2><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>Subject: [IPORPR] =
Recharter IPoRPR
WG</span></font> </p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span =
style=3D'font-size:
12.0pt'>&nbsp;</span></font></p>

<p><font size=3D2 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>Folks,</span></font>
<br>
<font size=3D2><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>The IPoRPR WG has been =
in
hibernation for quite some time.&nbsp; Given the publication of IEEE =
802.17
last year, it is time to shut down this WG...&nbsp; or recharter and do
something. Assuming there is some interest in the latter, I have =
attached a
revised charter proposal that our AD will be reviewing with the IESG =
shortly.
Let us know if you have any comments. Cheers, Glenn Parsons =
[email protected]</span></font></p>

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