Re: IPP Registration Request for Addition: New keywords for the "media" attribute

Michael Sweet via ipp <[email protected]> Sat, 13 Mar 2021 09:25:43 -0500
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[Whew!]

All,

OK, so I've gone through ISO 1008.  The sizes there are based on the original inch measurements but are recorded in the standard as rounded millimeters, so 10x12 becomes 254x305mm vs. 254x304.8mm that an unrounded conversion would be.  Tolerances are +/-1 or 2 millimeters depending on the total length.  Given that the sizes were originally defined (and well known in) inches and the existing registered size names use the "oe" prefix and sizes in inches, I am inclined to use inches for the one ISO 1008 size (16R) that we've missed over the last 8 years since MSN2 was published rather than introduce a single ISO photo size name.

Here is a quick ASCII table of the standard numbered [0], ISO 1008, and ISO 1008-derived sizes.  I've included a notes column showing that we're previously registered other names for most of these sizes:

  Photo
  Name    Inches    Millimeters  Source         Notes
  ------  --------  -----------  -------------  --------------
  3R      3.5x5     89x127       ISO 1008       oe_photo-l_3x5x5in [1], "L" in Japan
  4R      4x6       102x152      Other          na_index-4x6_4x6in [1]
  A6                105x148      ISO 216+1008   iso_a6_105x148mm [1]
  5R      5x7       127x178      ISO 1008       na_index-5x7_5x7in [1] "2L" in Japan
  6R      6x8       152x203      Other          na_index-4x6-ext_6x8in [1], "8P" in Japan
  8R      8x10      203x254      ISO 1008       na_govt-letter_8x10in [1], "6P" in Japan
  S8R     8x12      203x305      Other          "6PW" in Japan
                    210x296      ISO 216+1008   iso_a4_210x197mm [1]
          8.5x11    216x279      ISO 1008       na_letter_8.5x11in [1]
          9.5x12    240x305      ISO 1008       na_letter-extra_9.5x12in [1]
  10R     10x12     254x305      ISO 1008       oe_photo-10r_10x12in [2]
  S10R    10x15     254x381      Other          oe_photo-s10r_10x15in [2]
  11R     11x14     279x356      ISO 1008       na_edp_11x14in [1]
  S11R    11x17     279x432      ANSI           na_ledger_12x17in [1]
  S12R    12x15     305x381      Other
          12x16     305x406      ISO 1008       oe_12x16_12x16in [2]
  S12R    12x18     305x457      Other          na_arch-b_12x18in [1]
  14R     14x17     356x431      Other          oe_14x17_14x17in [2]
          14x18     356x457      Other
  16R     16x20     406x508      ISO 1008       Approx. 40x50cm
  20R     20x24     508x610      ISO 1008       oe_photo-20r_20x24in [2], Approx. 50x60cm
  22R     22x29.5   508x749      Other
  24R     24x31     609x800      Other
  30R     30x40     762x1016     Other          May be confused with 30x40cm

  [0]: https://mainthebest.com/sizes/photo-print-sizes-r-series-sizes/
  [1]: https://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/candidates/cs-pwgmsn20-20130328-5101.1.pdf
  [2]: https://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/registrations/ippwg-media-size-20160229.txt


....

So, there are three sizes that HP has proposed that we have already registered (10x12, 10x15, 20x24) and a few standard photo sizes that were not included in HP's registration request.  This, combined with Christoph's observations about metric sizes yields the following updated registration:

Attributes (attribute syntax)
  Keyword Attribute Value                                      Reference
  --------------------------------------------------------     --------------
media (type2 keyword | name(MAX))                              [RFC8011]
  na_arch-e1_32x40in                                           [HP20210302]
  oe_photo-s8r_8x12in                                          [HP20210302] (added)
  oe_photo_s12r_12x15in                                        [HP20210302] (added)
  oe_photo-14x18_14x18in                                       [HP20210302]
  oe_photo-16r_16x20in                                         [HP20210302]
  oe_photo-22x28_22x28in                                       [HP20210302]
  oe_photo-22r_22x29.5in                                       [HP20210302] (added)
  oe_photo-24x30_24x30in                                       [HP20210302]
  oe_photo_24r_24x31in                                         [HP20210302] (added)
  oe_photo_30r_30x40in                                         [HP20210302] (added)
  om_photo-30x40_300x400mm                                     [HP20210302]
  om_photo-30x45_300x450mm                                     [HP20210302]
  om_photo-35x46_350x460mm                                     [HP20210302]
  om_photo-40x60_400x600mm                                     [HP20210302]
  om_photo-50x76_500x760mm                                     [HP20210302]
  om_photo-60x90_600x900mm                                     [HP20210302]


Thoughts?


> On Mar 11, 2021, at 2:23 PM, Kennedy, Smith (Wireless & IPP Standards) <[email protected]> wrote:
> 
> Hi Mike,
> 
> Coming back to the registrations, for now HP Inc. would like to register these, with names structured as per your request:
> 
> Attributes (attribute syntax)
>   Keyword Attribute Value                                      Reference
>   --------------------------------------------------------     --------------
> media (type2 keyword | name(MAX))                              [RFC8011]
>   na_arch-e1_32x40in                                           [HP20210302]
>   oe_photo-10x12_10x12in                                       [HP20210302]
>   oe_photo-10x15_10x15in                                       [HP20210302]
>   oe_photo-14x18_14x18in                                       [HP20210302]
>   oe_photo-16x20_16x20in                                       [HP20210302]
>   oe_photo-20x24_20x24in                                       [HP20210302]
>   oe_photo-22x28_22x28in                                       [HP20210302]
>   oe_photo-24x30_24x30in                                       [HP20210302]
>   om_photo-300x400_300x400mm                                   [HP20210302]
>   om_photo-300x450_300x450mm                                   [HP20210302]
>   om_photo-350x460_350x460mm                                   [HP20210302]
>   om_photo-400x600_400x600mm                                   [HP20210302]
>   om_photo-500x760_500x760mm                                   [HP20210302]
>   om_photo-600x900_600x900mm                                   [HP20210302]
> media-supported (1setOf (type2 keyword | name(MAX)))           [RFC8011]
>   < all name values >                                          [RFC8011]
> 
> We can perhaps discuss at today's IPP WG meeting if these are acceptable for registration.
> 
> Smith
> 
> /**
>     Smith Kennedy
>     HP Inc.
> */
> 
>> On Mar 2, 2021, at 1:13 PM, Michael Sweet <[email protected]> wrote:
>> 
>> Smith,
>> 
>> At first blush I see some duplicated sizes from the registry:
>> 
>> na_arch-c_18x24in
>> na_arch-d_24x36in
>> 
>> and the MSN2 spec doesn't allow those...
>> 
>> Also, while I appreciate keeping the na_WIDTHxHEIGHT_WIDTHxHEIGHTin form for those dimensional sizes, if they are primarily for photo/art printing I'd like to see a 'photo' prefix in the name portion, e.g.:
>> 
>> oe_photo-16x20_16x20in
>> 
>> Similarly, the om_photo sizes should include the dimensions if there is no corresponding well-known name:
>> 
>> om_photo-300x400_300x400mm
>> 
>> 
>> > On Mar 2, 2021, at 12:29 PM, Kennedy, Smith (Wireless & IPP Standards) via ipp <[email protected]> wrote:
>> >
>> > Greetings,
>> >
>> > HP Inc. is requesting the registration of additional keywords for the “media” attribute [STD92] for some standard sizes that aren’t yet registered. Here is the registration template and the keywords to be added:
>> >
>> > Attributes (attribute syntax)
>> > Keyword Attribute Value Reference
>> > -------------------------------------------------------- --------------
>> > media (type2 keyword | name(MAX)) [RFC8011]
>> > na_arch-e1_32x40in [HP20210302]
>> > na_super-c_18x24in [HP20210302]
>> > na_super-d_24x36in [HP20210302]
>> > oe_10x12_10x12in [HP20210302]
>> > oe_10x15_10x15in [HP20210302]
>> > oe_14x18_14x18in [HP20210302]
>> > oe_16x20_16x20in [HP20210302]
>> > oe_20x24_20x24in [HP20210302]
>> > oe_22x28_22x28in [HP20210302]
>> > oe_24x30_24x30in [HP20210302]
>> > om_photo_300x400mm [HP20210302]
>> > om_photo_300x450mm [HP20210302]
>> > om_photo_350x460mm [HP20210302]
>> > om_photo_400x600mm [HP20210302]
>> > om_photo_500x760mm [HP20210302]
>> > om_photo_600x900mm [HP20210302]
>> > media-supported (1setOf (type2 keyword | name(MAX))) [RFC8011]
>> > < all name values > [RFC8011]
>> >
>> > Let me know if there are any issues.
>> >
>> > Cheers,
>> > Smith
>> >
>> > /**
>> > Smith Kennedy
>> > HP Inc.
>> > */
>> >
>> >
>> >
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