Re: What value do IPP Printers provide for "printer-name"?

Hi

I too expect something human-useful here.
Looking through my user-supplied attribute dumps, i see most printers doing
something decent; mostly model-based.

Some interesting outliers:

   - Xerox WorkCentre 6515: "192.168.1.74"
   - Various Brother printers: "" (empty string)
   - Brother VC-500W: "print" (from /ipp/print presumably)
   - EPSON SC-P900: "ipp/print"

Br,
Anton

Den ons 12 juni 2024 kl 12:38 skrev Arun Holla via ipp <[email protected]>:

> Hi Smith,
>
>
>
> For the Fiery Digital Front End servers, here are the IPP attribute values
> being populated:
>
>
>
>    - printer-name à ‘hostname’
>    - printer-make-and-model à Specific printer manufacturer and model
>    name, and is fixed.
>    - printer-dns-sd-name à Bonjour Service Name concatenated with the
>    last 3 octets of the Mac address (similar to Xerox). Default is the printer
>    manufacturer and model name concatenated with the 3 octets of Mac address.
>    This helps to keep it unique as it is used during the printer discovery.
>    This value changes when the Bonjour service name is changed by the user.
>
>
>
> Thanks,
>
> -Arun-
>
> *From:* ipp <[email protected]> *On Behalf Of *Rizzo, Christopher via
> ipp
> *Sent:* Wednesday, June 12, 2024 4:44 AM
> *To:* Kennedy, Smith (Wireless & IPP Standards) <[email protected]>
> *Cc:* Rizzo, Christopher <[email protected]>; PWG IPP WG
> Reflector <[email protected]>
> *Subject:* Re: [IPP] What value do IPP Printers provide for
> "printer-name"?
>
>
>
> *[EXTERNAL] *
>
> Of course - I just thought of what happens when there is a name conflict
> with another device on the network, and tested it.
>
>
>
> The conflict caused the registered name via MDNS to have "(2)" appended to
> it, but neither printer-name nor printer-dns-sd-name were updated to match.
>
>
>
> So now I'm wondering if that is a bug. Is that a bug?  I think that is as
> I read PWG 5100.13 - printer-dns-sd-name at a minumum should have changed
> to match the MDNS (updated) registered name.
>
>
>
> Chris
>
>
>
> *Christopher Rizzo*
>
> *Engineer II, Software Engineering*
>
> *Design & Development Engineering*
>
>
>
> [image: signature_965322133] <http://www.xerox.com/>
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> Xerox Corporation
>
> Virtual Office Employee
>
> 26600 SW Parkway Ave
>
> Wilsonville, OR 97070
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>
>
> [image: signature_444176381] <https://www.linkedin.com/company/xerox/>   [image:
> signature_1244739495] <https://www.youtube.com/user/XeroxCorp>   [image:
> signature_4095302439] <https://twitter.com/Xerox>   [image:
> signature_510884951] <https://www.instagram.com/xerox/>   [image:
> signature_496444296] <https://www.facebook.com/XeroxCorp>
>
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>
> *From: *Christopher Rizzo <[email protected]>
> *Date: *Tuesday, June 11, 2024 at 4:03 PM
> *To: *Kennedy Smith <[email protected]>
> *Cc: *PWG Workgroup <[email protected]>, Michael Sweet <[email protected]>
> *Subject: *Re: [IPP] What value do IPP Printers provide for
> "printer-name"?
>
>
>
> Yes, both are updated together.
>
>
>
> And they are independent of the hostname
>
>
>
> Chris
>
>
>
> *Christopher Rizzo*
>
> *Engineer II, Software Engineering*
>
> *Design & Development Engineering*
>
>
>
> [image: signature_2133543743] <http://www.xerox.com/>
>
>
>
> Xerox Corporation
>
> Virtual Office Employee
>
> 26600 SW Parkway Ave
>
> Wilsonville, OR 97070
>
>
>
> [image: signature_379100592] <https://www.linkedin.com/company/xerox/>   [image:
> signature_3069953614] <https://www.youtube.com/user/XeroxCorp>   [image:
> signature_2858899317] <https://twitter.com/Xerox>   [image:
> signature_3573846891] <https://www.instagram.com/xerox/>   [image:
> signature_2872972201] <https://www.facebook.com/XeroxCorp>
>
>
>
>
>
> *From: *Kennedy Smith <[email protected]>
> *Date: *Tuesday, June 11, 2024 at 3:49 PM
> *To: *Christopher Rizzo <[email protected]>
> *Cc: *PWG Workgroup <[email protected]>, Michael Sweet <[email protected]>
> *Subject: *Re: [IPP] What value do IPP Printers provide for
> "printer-name"?
>
>
>
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>
> Thanks Chris! HP printers do something similar for the default DNS-SD
> Instance Name. If Xerox printers provide the same value for "printer-name"
> as "printer-dns-sd-name", if one changes then so does the other?
>
>
>
> Smith
>
>
>
> On Jun 11, 2024, at 3:21 PM, Rizzo, Christopher <
> [email protected]> wrote:
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>
>
> *CAUTION: External Email *
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> The Xerox devices that I work on use the Bonjour advertisement name for
> IPP printer-name. I cannot speak for all Xerox products.
>
> The factory default for this is "Xerox <model> (<last 3 bytes of eth mac
> addr>)".
>
> Reason for the mac addr append is for customers that purchase more than
> one device they can be identified while avoiding the need for initial
> conflicts in name resolution.
>
> Chris
>
> Christopher Rizzo
> Engineer II, Software Engineering
> Design & Development Engineering
>
> <http://www.xerox.com/>
>
> Xerox Corporation
> Virtual Office Employee
> 26600 SW Parkway Ave
> Wilsonville, OR 97070
>
> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/xerox/> <
> https://www.youtube.com/user/XeroxCorp> <https://twitter.com/Xerox> <
> https://www.instagram.com/xerox/> <https://www.facebook.com/XeroxCorp>
>
>
>
>
>
> On 6/11/24, 12:46 PM, "ipp on behalf of Michael Sweet via ipp" <[email protected]
> <mailto:[email protected]> on behalf of [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]
> <[email protected]>>> wrote:
>
>
> Smith,
>
>
> > On Jun 11, 2024, at 3:22 PM, Kennedy, Smith (Wireless & IPP Standards) <[email protected]
> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
> > ...
> > So the attributes involved in a discussion were:
> >
> > printer-name (RFC 2911 / 8011 - required)
> > printer-make-and-model (RFC 2911 / 8011 - recommended)
> > printer-dns-sd-name (PWG 5100.13 - required)
> >
> > The wording of "printer-name" makes it sound like it should be a unique
> name, not a model name...
>
>
> A printer by any other name would smell as sweet?
>
>
> From RFC 8011, "printer-name" is *not* a unique name, just a more friendly
> one:
>
>
> 5.4.4. printer-name (name(127))
>
>
> This REQUIRED Printer attribute contains the name of the Printer. It
> is a name that is more End User friendly than a URI. An
> Administrator determines a Printer's name and sets this attribute to
> that name. This name can be the last part of the Printer's URI, or
> it can be unrelated. In non-US-English locales, a name can contain
> characters that are not allowed in a URI.
>
>
> ________________________
> Michael Sweet
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