Re: What value do IPP Printers provide for "printer-name"?

Hi Smith et al,

For KonicaMinolta MFPs, the default value of "printer-name" is left blank. But the User Guide, under  "Configuring basic settings for the IPP Printing"  instructs administrator to "Enter the printer name of this machine (using up to 127 characters)"

Thanks,
 Bill Wagner
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Hi Smith,
Here's the response from Canon:


  *   printer-name : Model name. The value is fixed (e.g. XK500 series, iR-ADV C3520)
  *   printer-make-and-model : Specific printer manufacturer and model name, and is fixed. (e.g. Canon XK500series, Canon iR-ADV C3520)
  *   printer-dns-sd-name : Bonjour Service Name

Canon doesn't provide the hostname for the "printer-name" attribute.
Best Regards,
Charles
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Hi

I too expect something human-useful here.
Looking through my user-supplied attribute dumps, i see most printers doing something decent; mostly model-based.

Some interesting outliers:

  *   Xerox WorkCentre 6515: "192.168.1.74"
  *   Various Brother printers: "" (empty string)
  *   Brother VC-500W: "print" (from /ipp/print presumably)
  *   EPSON SC-P900: "ipp/print"

Br,
Anton

Den ons 12 juni 2024 kl 12:38 skrev Arun Holla via ipp <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>>:

Hi Smith,



For the Fiery Digital Front End servers, here are the IPP attribute values being populated:



  *   printer-name --> ‘hostname’
  *   printer-make-and-model --> Specific printer manufacturer and model name, and is fixed.
  *   printer-dns-sd-name --> Bonjour Service Name concatenated with the last 3 octets of the Mac address (similar to Xerox). Default is the printer manufacturer and model name concatenated with the 3 octets of Mac address. This helps to keep it unique as it is used during the printer discovery. This value changes when the Bonjour service name is changed by the user.



Thanks,

-Arun-

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Of course - I just thought of what happens when there is a name conflict with another device on the network, and tested it.



The conflict caused the registered name via MDNS to have "(2)" appended to it, but neither printer-name nor printer-dns-sd-name were updated to match.



So now I'm wondering if that is a bug. Is that a bug?  I think that is as I read PWG 5100.13 - printer-dns-sd-name at a minumum should have changed to match the MDNS (updated) registered name.



Chris



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Yes, both are updated together.



And they are independent of the hostname



Chris



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Thanks Chris! HP printers do something similar for the default DNS-SD Instance Name. If Xerox printers provide the same value for "printer-name" as "printer-dns-sd-name", if one changes then so does the other?



Smith



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The Xerox devices that I work on use the Bonjour advertisement name for IPP printer-name. I cannot speak for all Xerox products.

The factory default for this is "Xerox <model> (<last 3 bytes of eth mac addr>)".

Reason for the mac addr append is for customers that purchase more than one device they can be identified while avoiding the need for initial conflicts in name resolution.

Chris

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On 6/11/24, 12:46 PM, "ipp on behalf of Michael Sweet via ipp" <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]%20%3cmailto:[email protected]>> on behalf of [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:


Smith,


> On Jun 11, 2024, at 3:22 PM, Kennedy, Smith (Wireless & IPP Standards) <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]%20%3cmailto:[email protected]>>> wrote:
> ...
> So the attributes involved in a discussion were:
>
> printer-name (RFC 2911 / 8011 - required)
> printer-make-and-model (RFC 2911 / 8011 - recommended)
> printer-dns-sd-name (PWG 5100.13 - required)
>
> The wording of "printer-name" makes it sound like it should be a unique name, not a model name...


A printer by any other name would smell as sweet?


From RFC 8011, "printer-name" is *not* a unique name, just a more friendly one:


5.4.4. printer-name (name(127))


This REQUIRED Printer attribute contains the name of the Printer. It
is a name that is more End User friendly than a URI. An
Administrator determines a Printer's name and sets this attribute to
that name. This name can be the last part of the Printer's URI, or
it can be unrelated. In non-US-English locales, a name can contain
characters that are not allowed in a URI.


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