Re: [rddp] STORM proposed charter - 31 May 2009 version
<[email protected]> Mon, 15 Jun 2009 15:50:23 -0400
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This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --===============1796042966== Content-class: urn:content-classes:message Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C9EDF2.85F8DD12" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C9EDF2.85F8DD12 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hmm .. I read: =20 "but not limited to TCP with MPA markers and SCTP" as being motivated by non-IP uses, e.g., InfiniBand and FC. Arkady? Thanks, --David =20 ________________________________ From: Pat Thaler [mailto:[email protected]]=20 Sent: Monday, June 15, 2009 3:17 PM To: Black, David; [email protected] Cc: [email protected]; [email protected]; [email protected]; [email protected] Subject: RE: [rddp] STORM proposed charter - 31 May 2009 version =09 =09 Did you mean "are not based on TCP" rather than "are not based on IP"? Arkady was asking about connection setup for SCTP which the former fits but not the latter. =20 Regards, Pat ________________________________ From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of [email protected] Sent: Monday, June 15, 2009 11:53 AM To: [email protected]; [email protected] Cc: [email protected]; [email protected]; [email protected]; [email protected] Subject: Re: [Ips] [rddp] STORM proposed charter - 31 May 2009 version =09 =09 And here's what I just did to that bullet ... (5) RDDP Connection Setup: Good support for MPI applications requires a small update to MPA startup functionality to allow either end of the connection to initiate. In addition, a couple of minor changes to RDDP connection setup (based on implementation experience) are needed to generalize it for effective use with protocols that are not based on IP. I'm about to send the result to Lars for wider review ... Thanks, --David =09 =20 ________________________________ From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of [email protected] Sent: Monday, June 15, 2009 2:46 PM To: [email protected] Cc: [email protected]; [email protected]; [email protected]; [email protected] Subject: Re: [rddp] STORM proposed charter - 31 May 2009 version =09 =09 Arkady, =20 I'll beef up the bullet, but probably not with that degree of specifics. Thanks for pointing this out, and I apologize for the delay in responding. Thanks, --David =09 =20 ________________________________ From: arkady kanevsky [mailto:[email protected]]=20 Sent: Tuesday, June 02, 2009 5:26 PM To: Black, David Cc: [email protected]; [email protected]; [email protected]; [email protected] Subject: Re: [rddp] STORM proposed charter - 31 May 2009 version =09 =09 David,=20 The description of RDDP MPA bullet is too narrow. (5) RDDP MPA: Good support for MPI applications requires a small update to MPA startup functionality to allow either end of the connection to initiate. This bullet should also cover ORD/IRD negotiation as part of connection setup. Also current RDDP connection setup is part of MPA spec which is primarily for TCP stream markers. This bullet should provide RDDP connection setup for both TCP and SCTP and for any message based protocol. How about: (5) RDDP Connection Setup: Good support for MPI applications requires a small update to MPA startup functionality to allow either end of the connection to initiate. Add RDMA Read credits to RDDP Connection Setup. Make RDDP connection setup to be applicable for any message based protocols, including but not limited to TCP with MPA markers and SCTP. I hope it is not too late to beef up this bullet. Thanks, Arkady On Sun, May 31, 2009 at 4:03 PM, <[email protected]> wrote: =09 What I believe is the final draft of the proposed charter for the STORM WG is attached; I've done a bunch of editing and added the info about T10 and T11 doc access. This is about to go out for wider review. =09 Also, a reminder that STORM discussion will stop cc:'ing other mailing lists soon. If you're interested in STORM work, please subscribe to the [email protected] mailing list: =09 https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/storm =09 Finally - this is a near-final reminder that the [email protected] mailing list will be closing soon - all discussion of RDDP protocols will move to the [email protected] mailing list. =09 Thanks, --David =09 ---------------------------------------------------- David L. Black, Distinguished Engineer EMC Corporation, 176 South St., Hopkinton, MA 01748 +1 (508) 293-7953 FAX: +1 (508) 293-7786 [email protected] Mobile: +1 (978) 394-7754 =09 ---------------------------------------------------- =09 =09 _______________________________________________ rddp mailing list [email protected] =09 https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/rddp =09 =09 --=20 Cheers, Arkady Kanevsky =09 ------_=_NextPart_001_01C9EDF2.85F8DD12 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"> <HTML><HEAD> <META http-equiv=3DContent-Type content=3D"text/html; = charset=3Dus-ascii"> <META content=3D"MSHTML 6.00.2900.3527" name=3DGENERATOR></HEAD> <BODY> <DIV><SPAN class=3D915194919-15062009><FONT face=3D"Courier New" = size=3D2>Hmm .. I=20 read:</FONT></SPAN></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D"Courier New" size=3D2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=3D915194919-15062009>"</SPAN>but not limited to TCP = with MPA=20 markers and SCTP<SPAN class=3D915194919-15062009>" as being = motivated</SPAN></DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=3D915194919-15062009>by non-IP uses, e.g., InfiniBand = and=20 FC. Arkady?</SPAN></DIV><!-- Converted from text/plain format --> <P><FONT size=3D2>Thanks,<BR>--David<BR></FONT></P> <DIV> </DIV><BR> <BLOCKQUOTE dir=3Dltr=20 style=3D"PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px = solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px"> <DIV class=3DOutlookMessageHeader lang=3Den-us dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft> <HR tabIndex=3D-1> <FONT face=3DTahoma size=3D2><B>From:</B> Pat Thaler = [mailto:[email protected]]=20 <BR><B>Sent:</B> Monday, June 15, 2009 3:17 PM<BR><B>To:</B> Black, = David;=20 [email protected]<BR><B>Cc:</B> [email protected]; [email protected];=20 [email protected]; [email protected]<BR><B>Subject:</B> RE: [rddp] STORM = proposed=20 charter - 31 May 2009 version<BR></FONT><BR></DIV> <DIV></DIV> <DIV dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><SPAN class=3D391051519-15062009><FONT = face=3DArial=20 color=3D#000080 size=3D2>Did you mean "are not based on TCP" rather = than "are not=20 based on IP"?</FONT></SPAN></DIV> <DIV dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><SPAN class=3D391051519-15062009><FONT = face=3DArial=20 color=3D#000080 size=3D2>Arkady was asking about connection setup for = SCTP which=20 the former fits but not the latter.</FONT></SPAN></DIV> <DIV dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><SPAN class=3D391051519-15062009><FONT = face=3DArial=20 color=3D#000080 size=3D2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV> <DIV dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><SPAN class=3D391051519-15062009><FONT = face=3DArial=20 color=3D#000080 size=3D2>Regards,</FONT></SPAN></DIV> <DIV dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><SPAN class=3D391051519-15062009><FONT = face=3DArial=20 color=3D#000080 size=3D2>Pat</FONT></SPAN></DIV><BR> <DIV class=3DOutlookMessageHeader lang=3Den-us dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft> <HR tabIndex=3D-1> <FONT face=3DTahoma size=3D2><B>From:</B> [email protected]=20 [mailto:[email protected]] <B>On Behalf Of=20 </B>[email protected]<BR><B>Sent:</B> Monday, June 15, 2009 11:53=20 AM<BR><B>To:</B> [email protected]; = [email protected]<BR><B>Cc:</B>=20 [email protected]; [email protected]; [email protected]; = [email protected]<BR><B>Subject:</B>=20 Re: [Ips] [rddp] STORM proposed charter - 31 May 2009=20 version<BR></FONT><BR></DIV> <DIV></DIV> <DIV><SPAN lang=3DEN> <P><SPAN class=3D884215218-15062009><FONT face=3D"Courier New" = size=3D2>And here's=20 what I just did to that bullet ...</FONT></SPAN></P> <P>(5) RDDP Connection Setup: Good support for MPI applications = requires<SPAN=20 class=3D884215218-15062009> </SPAN>a small update to MPA startup = functionality=20 to allow either end<SPAN class=3D884215218-15062009> </SPAN>of the = connection to=20 initiate. In addition, a couple of minor<SPAN = class=3D884215218-15062009>=20 </SPAN>changes to RDDP connection setup (based on implementation<SPAN=20 class=3D884215218-15062009> </SPAN>experience) are needed to = generalize it for=20 effective use with<SPAN class=3D884215218-15062009> </SPAN>protocols = that are=20 not based on IP.</P></SPAN></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D"Courier New" size=3D2><SPAN = class=3D884215218-15062009>I'm about=20 to send the result to Lars for wider review = ...</SPAN></FONT></DIV><!-- Converted from text/plain format --> <P><FONT size=3D2>Thanks,<BR>--David<BR></FONT></P> <DIV> </DIV><BR> <BLOCKQUOTE dir=3Dltr=20 style=3D"PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px = solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px"> <DIV class=3DOutlookMessageHeader lang=3Den-us dir=3Dltr = align=3Dleft> <HR tabIndex=3D-1> <FONT face=3DTahoma size=3D2><B>From:</B> [email protected]=20 [mailto:[email protected]] <B>On Behalf Of=20 </B>[email protected]<BR><B>Sent:</B> Monday, June 15, 2009 2:46=20 PM<BR><B>To:</B> [email protected]<BR><B>Cc:</B> = [email protected];=20 [email protected]; [email protected]; [email protected]<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: = [rddp]=20 STORM proposed charter - 31 May 2009 version<BR></FONT><BR></DIV> <DIV></DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=3D016004518-15062009><FONT face=3D"Courier New"=20 size=3D2>Arkady,</FONT></SPAN></DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=3D016004518-15062009><FONT face=3D"Courier New"=20 size=3D2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=3D016004518-15062009><FONT face=3D"Courier New" = size=3D2>I'll=20 beef up the bullet, but probably not with that</FONT></SPAN></DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=3D016004518-15062009><FONT face=3D"Courier New" = size=3D2>degree=20 of specifics. Thanks for pointing this = out,</FONT></SPAN></DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=3D016004518-15062009><FONT face=3D"Courier New" = size=3D2>and I=20 apologize for the delay in responding.</FONT></SPAN></DIV><!-- = Converted from text/plain format --> <P><FONT size=3D2>Thanks,<BR>--David<BR></FONT></P> <DIV> </DIV><BR> <BLOCKQUOTE dir=3Dltr=20 style=3D"PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #000000 = 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px"> <DIV class=3DOutlookMessageHeader lang=3Den-us dir=3Dltr = align=3Dleft> <HR tabIndex=3D-1> <FONT face=3DTahoma size=3D2><B>From:</B> arkady kanevsky=20 [mailto:[email protected]] <BR><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, June = 02, 2009=20 5:26 PM<BR><B>To:</B> Black, David<BR><B>Cc:</B> [email protected];=20 [email protected]; [email protected]; [email protected]<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: = [rddp]=20 STORM proposed charter - 31 May 2009 version<BR></FONT><BR></DIV> <DIV></DIV>David,=20 <DIV>The description of RDDP MPA bullet is too narrow.</DIV> <DIV> <DIV>(5) RDDP MPA: Good support for MPI applications requires a=20 small</DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=3DApple-tab-span style=3D"WHITE-SPACE: = pre"></SPAN>update to=20 MPA startup functionality to allow either end</DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=3DApple-tab-span style=3D"WHITE-SPACE: = pre"></SPAN>of the=20 connection to initiate.</DIV> <DIV><BR></DIV> <DIV>This bullet should also cover ORD/IRD negotiation as part = of</DIV> <DIV>connection setup. Also current RDDP connection setup is part = of=20 MPA</DIV> <DIV>spec which is primarily for TCP stream markers. = This bullet=20 should provide</DIV> <DIV>RDDP connection setup for both TCP and SCTP and for any = message=20 based</DIV> <DIV>protocol.</DIV> <DIV><BR></DIV> <DIV>How about:</DIV> <DIV> <DIV>(5) RDDP Connection Setup: Good support for MPI applications = requires=20 a small</DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=3DApple-tab-span style=3D"WHITE-SPACE: = pre"></SPAN>update to=20 MPA startup functionality to allow either end</DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=3DApple-tab-span style=3D"WHITE-SPACE: = pre"></SPAN>of the=20 connection to initiate. Add RDMA Read credits to RDDP = Connection</DIV> <DIV> Setup. Make RDDP connection = setup to=20 be applicable for any message based</DIV> <DIV> protocols, including but not = limited=20 to TCP with MPA markers and SCTP.</DIV></DIV> <DIV><BR></DIV> <DIV>I hope it is not too late to beef up this bullet.</DIV> <DIV>Thanks,</DIV> <DIV>Arkady</DIV><BR> <DIV class=3Dgmail_quote>On Sun, May 31, 2009 at 4:03 PM, <SPAN=20 dir=3Dltr><<A=20 = href=3D"mailto:[email protected]">[email protected]</A>></SPAN>=20 wrote:<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE class=3Dgmail_quote=20 style=3D"PADDING-LEFT: 1ex; MARGIN: 0px 0px 0px 0.8ex; = BORDER-LEFT: #ccc 1px solid">What=20 I believe is the final draft of the proposed charter<BR>for the = STORM WG=20 is attached; I've done a bunch of editing<BR>and added the info = about=20 T10 and T11 doc access. This is<BR>about to go out for = wider=20 review.<BR><BR>Also, a reminder that STORM discussion will stop=20 cc:'ing<BR>other mailing lists soon. If you're interested = in=20 STORM<BR>work, please subscribe to the <A=20 href=3D"mailto:[email protected]">[email protected]</A> mailing = list:<BR><A=20 href=3D"https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/storm"=20 = target=3D_blank>https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/storm</A><BR><BR>Fi= nally=20 - this is a near-final reminder that the <A=20 href=3D"mailto:[email protected]">[email protected]</A><BR>mailing list = will be=20 closing soon - all discussion of RDDP<BR>protocols will move to = the <A=20 href=3D"mailto:[email protected]">[email protected]</A> mailing=20 = list.<BR><BR>Thanks,<BR>--David<BR>--------------------------------------= --------------<BR>David=20 L. Black, Distinguished Engineer<BR>EMC Corporation, 176 South = St.,=20 Hopkinton, MA 01748<BR>+1 (508) 293-7953 = =20 FAX: +1 (508) 293-7786<BR><A=20 href=3D"mailto:[email protected]">[email protected]</A> = =20 Mobile: +1 (978)=20 = 394-7754<BR>----------------------------------------------------<BR><BR>_= ______________________________________________<BR>rddp=20 mailing list<BR><A = href=3D"mailto:[email protected]">[email protected]</A><BR><A=20 href=3D"https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/rddp"=20 = target=3D_blank>https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/rddp</A><BR><BR></B= LOCKQUOTE></DIV><BR><BR=20 clear=3Dall><BR>-- <BR>Cheers,<BR>Arkady=20 = Kanevsky<BR></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML> ------_=_NextPart_001_01C9EDF2.85F8DD12-- --===============1796042966== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Ips mailing list [email protected] https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ips --===============1796042966==--