Re: [rddp] STORM proposed charter - 31 May 2009 version

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David,
I was not proposing to extend it beyond IP based protocols.
Specifically I am trying to ensure that new spec can support
TCP/MPA and SCTP. Other protocols that are not IP based
or not even Ethernet based, in my view, are outside the scope of IETF.

In essense, it is RDMA connection setup on top of message
based protocol. So It be done on top of TCP/MPA, or SCTP or
maybe some other message based protocols that use IP.
Thanks,
Arkady

On Mon, Jun 15, 2009 at 2:45 PM, <[email protected]> wrote:

>  Arkady,
>
> I'll beef up the bullet, but probably not with that
> degree of specifics.  Thanks for pointing this out,
> and I apologize for the delay in responding.
>
> Thanks,
> --David
>
>
>  ------------------------------
> *From:* arkady kanevsky [mailto:[email protected]]
> *Sent:* Tuesday, June 02, 2009 5:26 PM
> *To:* Black, David
> *Cc:* [email protected]; [email protected]; [email protected]; [email protected]
> *Subject:* Re: [rddp] STORM proposed charter - 31 May 2009 version
>
>   David, The description of RDDP MPA bullet is too narrow.
>  (5) RDDP MPA: Good support for MPI applications requires a small
> update to MPA startup functionality to allow either end
> of the connection to initiate.
>
> This bullet should also cover ORD/IRD negotiation as part of
> connection setup. Also current RDDP connection setup is part of MPA
> spec which is primarily for TCP stream markers. This bullet should provide
> RDDP connection setup for both TCP and SCTP and for any message based
> protocol.
>
> How about:
>  (5) RDDP Connection Setup: Good support for MPI applications requires a
> small
> update to MPA startup functionality to allow either end
> of the connection to initiate. Add RDMA Read credits to RDDP Connection
>         Setup. Make RDDP connection setup to be applicable for any message
> based
>         protocols, including but not limited to TCP with MPA markers and
> SCTP.
>
> I hope it is not too late to beef up this bullet.
> Thanks,
> Arkady
>
> On Sun, May 31, 2009 at 4:03 PM, <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> What I believe is the final draft of the proposed charter
>> for the STORM WG is attached; I've done a bunch of editing
>> and added the info about T10 and T11 doc access.  This is
>> about to go out for wider review.
>>
>> Also, a reminder that STORM discussion will stop cc:'ing
>> other mailing lists soon.  If you're interested in STORM
>> work, please subscribe to the [email protected] mailing list:
>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/storm
>>
>> Finally - this is a near-final reminder that the [email protected]
>> mailing list will be closing soon - all discussion of RDDP
>> protocols will move to the [email protected] mailing list.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> --David
>> ----------------------------------------------------
>> David L. Black, Distinguished Engineer
>> EMC Corporation, 176 South St., Hopkinton, MA  01748
>> +1 (508) 293-7953             FAX: +1 (508) 293-7786
>> [email protected]        Mobile: +1 (978) 394-7754
>> ----------------------------------------------------
>>
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>>
>>
>
>
> --
> Cheers,
> Arkady Kanevsky
>
>


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Cheers,
Arkady Kanevsky

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<div>David,</div>
<div>I was not proposing to extend it beyond IP based protocols.</div>
<div>Specifically I am trying to ensure that new spec can support</div>
<div>TCP/MPA and SCTP. Other protocols that are not IP based</div>
<div>or not even Ethernet based, in my view, are outside the scope of IETF.=
</div>
<div>=A0</div>
<div>In essense, it is RDMA connection setup on top of message</div>
<div>based protocol. So It be done on top of TCP/MPA, or SCTP or</div>
<div>maybe some other message based protocols that use IP.</div>
<div>Thanks,</div>
<div>Arkady<br><br></div>
<div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Mon, Jun 15, 2009 at 2:45 PM, <span dir=3D"lt=
r">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email protected]">[email protected]</a>&gt;</=
span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"PADDING-LEFT: 1ex; MARGIN: 0px 0=
px 0px 0.8ex; BORDER-LEFT: #ccc 1px solid">
<div>
<div><span><font face=3D"Courier New" size=3D"2">Arkady,</font></span></div=
>
<div><span><font face=3D"Courier New" size=3D"2"></font></span>=A0</div>
<div><span><font face=3D"Courier New" size=3D"2">I&#39;ll beef up the bulle=
t, but probably not with that</font></span></div>
<div><span><font face=3D"Courier New" size=3D"2">degree of specifics.=A0 Th=
anks for pointing this out,</font></span></div>
<div><span><font face=3D"Courier New" size=3D"2">and I apologize for the de=
lay in responding.</font></span></div>
<p><font size=3D"2">Thanks,<br>--David<br></font></p>
<div>=A0</div><br>
<blockquote dir=3D"ltr" style=3D"PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDE=
R-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px">
<div lang=3D"en-us" dir=3D"ltr" align=3D"left">
<hr>
<font face=3D"Tahoma" size=3D"2"><b>From:</b> arkady kanevsky [mailto:<a hr=
ef=3D"mailto:[email protected]" target=3D"_blank">arkady.kanevsky@g=
mail.com</a>] <br><b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, June 02, 2009 5:26 PM<br><b>To:</b>=
 Black, David<br>
<b>Cc:</b> <a href=3D"mailto:[email protected]" target=3D"_blank">[email protected]=
rg</a>; <a href=3D"mailto:[email protected]" target=3D"_blank">[email protected]</a=
>; <a href=3D"mailto:[email protected]" target=3D"_blank">[email protected]</a>; <a h=
ref=3D"mailto:[email protected]" target=3D"_blank">[email protected]</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [rddp] STORM proposed charter - 31 May 2009 version<br>=
</font><br></div>
<div>
<div></div>
<div class=3D"h5">
<div></div>David,=20
<div>The description of RDDP MPA bullet is too narrow.</div>
<div>
<div>(5) RDDP MPA: Good support for MPI applications requires a small</div>
<div><span style=3D"WHITE-SPACE: pre"></span>update to MPA startup function=
ality to allow either end</div>
<div><span style=3D"WHITE-SPACE: pre"></span>of the connection to initiate.=
</div>
<div><br></div>
<div>This bullet should also cover ORD/IRD negotiation as part of</div>
<div>connection setup. Also current RDDP connection setup is part of MPA</d=
iv>
<div>spec which is=A0primarily=A0for TCP stream markers. This bullet should=
 provide</div>
<div>RDDP connection setup for both TCP and SCTP and for any message based<=
/div>
<div>protocol.</div>
<div><br></div>
<div>How about:</div>
<div>
<div>(5) RDDP Connection Setup: Good support for MPI applications requires =
a small</div>
<div><span style=3D"WHITE-SPACE: pre"></span>update to MPA startup function=
ality to allow either end</div>
<div><span style=3D"WHITE-SPACE: pre"></span>of the connection to initiate.=
 Add RDMA Read credits to RDDP Connection</div>
<div>=A0=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0Setup. Make RDDP connection setup to be applicable f=
or any message based</div>
<div>=A0=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0protocols, including but not limited to TCP with MPA=
 markers and SCTP.</div></div>
<div><br></div>
<div>I hope it is not too late to beef up this bullet.</div>
<div>Thanks,</div>
<div>Arkady</div><br>
<div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Sun, May 31, 2009 at 4:03 PM, <span dir=3D"lt=
r">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email protected]" target=3D"_blank">Black_David=
@emc.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"PADDING-LEFT: 1ex; MARGIN: 0px 0=
px 0px 0.8ex; BORDER-LEFT: #ccc 1px solid">What I believe is the final draf=
t of the proposed charter<br>for the STORM WG is attached; I&#39;ve done a =
bunch of editing<br>
and added the info about T10 and T11 doc access. =A0This is<br>about to go =
out for wider review.<br><br>Also, a reminder that STORM discussion will st=
op cc:&#39;ing<br>other mailing lists soon. =A0If you&#39;re interested in =
STORM<br>
work, please subscribe to the <a href=3D"mailto:[email protected]" target=3D"_=
blank">[email protected]</a> mailing list:<br><a href=3D"https://www.ietf.org/=
mailman/listinfo/storm" target=3D"_blank">https://www.ietf.org/mailman/list=
info/storm</a><br>
<br>Finally - this is a near-final reminder that the <a href=3D"mailto:rddp=
@ietf.org" target=3D"_blank">[email protected]</a><br>mailing list will be clos=
ing soon - all discussion of RDDP<br>protocols will move to the <a href=3D"=
mailto:[email protected]" target=3D"_blank">[email protected]</a> mailing list.<b=
r>
<br>Thanks,<br>--David<br>-------------------------------------------------=
---<br>David L. Black, Distinguished Engineer<br>EMC Corporation, 176 South=
 St., Hopkinton, MA =A001748<br>+1 (508) 293-7953 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 F=
AX: +1 (508) 293-7786<br>
<a href=3D"mailto:[email protected]" target=3D"_blank">[email protected]=
m</a> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0Mobile: +1 (978) 394-7754<br>-------------------------=
---------------------------<br><br>________________________________________=
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rddp mailing list<br><a href=3D"mailto:[email protected]" target=3D"_blank">rdd=
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rget=3D"_blank">https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/rddp</a><br><br></blo=
ckquote>
</div><br><br clear=3D"all"><br>-- <br>Cheers,<br>Arkady Kanevsky<br></div>=
</div></div></blockquote></div></blockquote></div><br><br clear=3D"all">
<div></div><br>-- <br>Cheers,<br>Arkady Kanevsky<br>

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