Re: [Bier] WGLC: draft-ietf-bier-isis-extensions-04

IJsbrand Wijnands <[email protected]> Mon, 12 Feb 2018 22:49:59 +0100
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Les,

> (If MPLS encapsulation (Section 2.1 of [MPLS_BIER_ENCAPS]) is
>       being used, this means that every BFR that is advertising a =
label
>       for sub-domain S is advertising a label for the combination of
>       sub-domain S and Disposition BitStringLength L.)


It says, if MPLS encapsulation is used, there is a Label for the {SD, =
BSL}. So, if there is non-MPLS (ether) only, there will not be a Label =
and the compatibility check will fail. Is that not the same a router =
that does not support MPLS BIER, and treated as a non-BIER router?

> [Les:] I don=E2=80=99t see how this text can be used to mean =
=E2=80=9Cmultiple encap types can be supported on the same BFR for a =
given <MT,SD>=E2=80=9D.
> ???

Are these not like ships in the night? Like an Prefix can be reachable =
over MPLS and IP on the same interface? I do assume you want to stay =
with the encapsulation that you where provisioned in and not move from =
MPLS into non-MPLS. Why do you need to say you can support both?

Thx,

Ice.


> On 12 Feb 2018, at 22:16, Les Ginsberg (ginsberg) <[email protected]> =
wrote:
>=20
> Ice -
> =20
> From: IJsbrand Wijnands (iwijnand)=20
> Sent: Monday, February 12, 2018 12:58 PM
> To: Les Ginsberg (ginsberg) <[email protected]>
> Cc: Acee Lindem (acee) <[email protected]>; [email protected]; Peter Psenak =
(ppsenak) <[email protected]>; [email protected] list <[email protected]>
> Subject: Re: [Bier] WGLC: draft-ietf-bier-isis-extensions-04
> =20
> Les,
>=20
>=20
> Perhaps the thread is too long and you have gotten confused. J
> =20
> Maybe :-), but...
>=20
>=20
> The point being discussed now is support for multiple encapsulation =
types (BSL conversion was mentioned in the thread =E2=80=93 but it is =
NOT the subject being discussed at the moment).
> =20
> I got that, it was removed after a long debate sometime back.
>=20
>=20
> =20
> In latest IS-IS BIER draft we changed:
> =20
>     >     All routers in the flooding scope of the BIER TLVs MUST =
advertise the
>     >     same encapsulation for a given <MT,SD>.  A router =
discovering
>     >     encapsulation advertised that is different from its own MUST =
report a
>     >     misconfiguration of a specific <MT,SD>.  All received BIER
>     >     advertisements associated with the conflicting <MT, SD> pair =
MUST be
>     >     ignored.
>     >
>     > "
>     >
>     > to
>     >
>     > "
>     >
>     >     Multiple encapsulations MAY be advertised/supported for a =
given
>     >     <MT,SD>.  Clearly, however, there MUST be at least one =
encapsulation
>     >     type in common in order for a BIER encapsulated packet to be
>     >     successfully forwarded between two BFRs.
>     >
> =20
> Point has been made that this really belongs in the architecture RFC, =
but since it isn=E2=80=99t there it may make sense for the IGP drafts to =
mention it.
> =20
> Below is taken from "6.10.1.  BitStringLength Compatibility Check=E2=80=9D=
 RFC 8279, does this not cover it?=20
> =20
> ****
> The combination of sub-domain S and Imposition BitStringLength L
>    passes the BitStringLength Compatibility Check if and only if the
>    following condition holds:
> =20
>       Every BFR that has advertised its membership in sub-domain S has
>       also advertised that it is using Disposition BitStringLength L
>       (and possibly other BitStringLengths as well) in that =
sub-domain.
>       (If MPLS encapsulation (Section 2.1 of [MPLS_BIER_ENCAPS]) is
>       being used, this means that every BFR that is advertising a =
label
>       for sub-domain S is advertising a label for the combination of
>       sub-domain S and Disposition BitStringLength L.)
>=20
> If a BFIR has been provisioned to use a particular Imposition
>    BitStringLength and a particular sub-domain for some set of =
packets,
>    and if that combination of Imposition BitStringLength and =
sub-domain
>    does not pass the BitStringLength Compatibility Check, the BFIR
>    SHOULD log this fact as an error.=20
> ****
> =20
> [Les:] I don=E2=80=99t see how this text can be used to mean =
=E2=80=9Cmultiple encap types can be supported on the same BFR for a =
given <MT,SD>=E2=80=9D.
> ???
> =20
>    Les
> =20
> =20
> Thx,
> =20
> Ice.
>=20
>=20
> =20
> In the case of IS-IS, because earlier versions of the draft had an =
explicit statement which we now consider too limiting, it made sense to =
make an explicit statement of the more flexible behavior.
> =20
> In the case of OSPF, the overly restrictive text was never present, so =
it is more debatable as to whether the clarifying statement is needed =
=E2=80=93 but doing so keeps the drafts in sync.
> =20
> Still, the =E2=80=9Cright solution=E2=80=9D would be to have the =
statement in RFC 8279 =E2=80=93 but a bit late for that.
> =20
>    Les
> =20
> =20
> From: IJsbrand Wijnands (iwijnand)=20
> Sent: Monday, February 12, 2018 12:05 PM
> To: Acee Lindem (acee) <[email protected]>
> Cc: Tony Przygienda <[email protected]>; Les Ginsberg (ginsberg) =
<[email protected]>; [email protected]; [email protected] list =
<[email protected]>; Peter Psenak (ppsenak) <[email protected]>
> Subject: Re: [Bier] WGLC: draft-ietf-bier-isis-extensions-04
> =20
> Folks,
> =20
> I would say its wrong to try and fix the BIER architecture by adding =
this into the IGP drafts. The IGP is a pass-through for the BIER =
information, and adding this text seems to imply that the IGP now needs =
to become BIER aware in order to detect and trigger notifications of =
encapsulation incompatibilities.=20
> =20
> The BIER architecture RFC 8279 has section 6.10 "Use of Different =
BitStringLengths within a Domain=E2=80=9D, what is missing in that =
section that would justify the IGP to become aware of BitStringLength =
differences? IMO everything is covered.
> =20
> Thx,
> =20
> Ice.
>=20
>=20
> On 12 Feb 2018, at 19:33, Acee Lindem (acee) <[email protected]> wrote:
>=20
> Hi Tony,=20
> I agree that since architecture has been published, it would not hurt =
to add the 5.2 text to the IGP documents. =20
> Thanks,
> Acee
> =20
> From: Tony Przygienda <[email protected]>
> Date: Monday, February 12, 2018 at 12:13 PM
> To: Acee Lindem <[email protected]>
> Cc: "Peter Psenak (ppsenak)" <[email protected]>, "Les Ginsberg =
(ginsberg)" <[email protected]>, "[email protected]" <[email protected]>, =
"[email protected] list" <[email protected]>
> Subject: Re: [Bier] WGLC: draft-ietf-bier-isis-extensions-04
> =20
> Peter, Acee, agree that this was missed in architecture and we should =
have talked about multiple encaps on a link there (just like we =
mentioned the BSL conversion). Alas, it was theoretical then and we =
missed. It was just a suggestion here to put it into IGP draft as we did =
in ISIS. I'm fine whichever way you guys feel it's better and a =
clarification draft can be always published later after more experience =
in the field albeit it seems that the issue is straight fwd' for most =
old hands, it's a link local decision so just use any matching encaps to =
transfer, however the computation has to agree to prevent blackholes  =
...
>=20
> Otherwise went through the important sections on -11 and looks good to =
me, no further comments. Thanks for the work
> =20
> --- tony
> =20
> On Mon, Feb 12, 2018 at 7:58 AM, Acee Lindem (acee) <[email protected]> =
wrote:
> With respect to the text in section 5.2, I agree with Peter.
>=20
> Thanks
> Acee
>=20
> On 2/12/18, 9:59 AM, "BIER on behalf of Peter Psenak (ppsenak)" =
<[email protected] on behalf of [email protected]> wrote:
>=20
>     Hi Tony,
>=20
>     OSPF does not have the original text, so it does not need the new =
one.
>=20
>     IMHO, the text in section 5 of ISIS BIER draft suits better to the =
BIER
>     architecture draft than to the IGP extension draft.
>=20
>     thanks,
>     Peter
>=20
>=20
>     On 09/02/18 20:17 , Tony Przygienda wrote:
>     > Sure ;-)  let me ping Peter @ the bottom then ... I don't think =
any of
>     > the stuff applies to OSPF (was ISIS nits) except we can consider =
an
>     > encaps paragraph. We basically suggest both to replace in ISIS =
the
>     > encaps section like this
>     >
>     > before:
>     >
>     > "
>     >     All routers in the flooding scope of the BIER TLVs MUST =
advertise the
>     >     same encapsulation for a given <MT,SD>.  A router =
discovering
>     >     encapsulation advertised that is different from its own MUST =
report a
>     >     misconfiguration of a specific <MT,SD>.  All received BIER
>     >     advertisements associated with the conflicting <MT, SD> pair =
MUST be
>     >     ignored.
>     >
>     > "
>     >
>     > now
>     >
>     > "
>     >
>     >     Multiple encapsulations MAY be advertised/supported for a =
given
>     >     <MT,SD>.  Clearly, however, there MUST be at least one =
encapsulation
>     >     type in common in order for a BIER encapsulated packet to be
>     >     successfully forwarded between two BFRs.
>     >
>     > "
>     >
>     > I do think that OSPF would benefit from adding this section to =
clarify
>     > the issue which is not theoretical now that we have Ethernet.
>     >
>     >
>     > So Peter, any ETA on outstanding OSPF nits now that we're tying =
up the
>     > IETF LC?
>     >
>     > thanks
>     >
>     > --- tony
>     >
>     >
>     > On Fri, Feb 9, 2018 at 11:12 AM, Greg Shepherd <[email protected]
>     > <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
>     >
>     >     No I didn't. Why would I? These are the changes you and Les =
worked
>     >     out. I assumed you'd share them as needed. If for some =
reason you're
>     >     uncomfortable engaging with the OSPF draft thread and =
authors with
>     >     your proposed changes, let me know and I'll broker the =
conversation.
>     >
>     >     Greg
>     >
>     >     On Fri, Feb 9, 2018 at 11:04 AM, Tony Przygienda
>     >     <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
>     >
>     >         Les has the diff, I'd expect him to publish any minute =
to the
>     >         list ... The encaps was a real defect, the rest is just
>     >         tightening down the language/spec where it was too =
loose/too
>     >         strict.
>     >
>     >         OSPF still needs update with conversion TLV removed, =
same
>     >         paragraph on encaps could be useful. I hope Greg pinged =
Peter ...
>     >
>     >         thanks
>     >
>     >         tony
>     >
>     >         On Fri, Feb 9, 2018 at 10:58 AM, Alia Atlas =
<[email protected]
>     >         <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
>     >
>     >             On Fri, Feb 9, 2018 at 12:46 PM, Tony Przygienda
>     >             <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> =
wrote:
>     >
>     >                 Went last nits with Les, we found one issue =
(encaps
>     >                 section was wrong, need to look @ OSPF as well) =
and
>     >                 basically tightened language in few places.
>     >
>     >
>     >             K - please get that  out with the details of changes =
to the
>     >             list.  I did my AD review back in Oct and looked at =
the
>     >             differences before issuing
>     >             IETF Last Call.
>     >
>     >             I look forward to reviewing the minor changes.
>     >
>     >             Regards,
>     >             Alia
>     >
>     >                 tony
>     >
>     >                 On Tue, Feb 6, 2018 at 3:45 PM, Greg Shepherd
>     >                 <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> =
wrote:
>     >
>     >                     Thanks Les.
>     >
>     >                     Any other feedback? Looks like the concerns =
have
>     >                     been addressed. Speak now.
>     >
>     >                     Cheers,
>     >                     Greg
>     >
>     >                     On Thu, Feb 1, 2018 at 7:26 AM, Les Ginsberg
>     >                     (ginsberg) <[email protected]
>     >                     <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
>     >
>     >                         Greg =E2=80=93____
>     >
>     >                         __ __
>     >
>     >                         This thread is outdated.____
>     >
>     >                         In V6 of the draft we removed the =
restriction to
>     >                         limit IS-IS BIER support to area =
boundaries =E2=80=93 so
>     >                         Toerless=E2=80=99s comment (and my =
proposed text) are no
>     >                         longer relevant.____
>     >
>     >                         __ __
>     >
>     >                         Specifically:____
>     >
>     >                         __ __
>     >
>     >                         Section 4.1:____
>     >
>     >                         __ __
>     >
>     >                         =E2=80=9CAt present, IS-IS support for a =
given BIER
>     >                         domain/sub-domain is ____
>     >
>     >                                             limited to a single =
area -
>     >                         or to the IS-IS L2 sub-domain.=E2=80=9D___=
_
>     >
>     >                         __ __
>     >
>     >                         The above text was removed.____
>     >
>     >                         __ __
>     >
>     >                         Section 4.2____
>     >
>     >                         __ __
>     >
>     >                         o  BIER sub-TLVs MUST NOT be included =
when a
>     >                         prefix reachability____
>     >
>     >                                advertisement is leaked between =
levels.____
>     >
>     >                         __ __
>     >
>     >                         Was changed to____
>     >
>     >                         __ __
>     >
>     >                         o  BIER sub-TLVs MUST be included when a =
prefix
>     >                         reachability____
>     >
>     >                                advertisement is leaked between =
levels.____
>     >
>     >                         __ __
>     >
>     >                         This aligns IS-IS and OSPF drafts in =
this
>     >                         regard.____
>     >
>     >                         __ __
>     >
>     >                              Les____
>     >
>     >                         __ __
>     >
>     >                         *From:*Greg Shepherd =
[mailto:[email protected]
>     >                         <mailto:[email protected]>]
>     >                         *Sent:* Thursday, February 01, 2018 2:23 =
AM
>     >                         *To:* Toerless Eckert <[email protected]
>     >                         <mailto:[email protected]>>
>     >                         *Cc:* Les Ginsberg (ginsberg)
>     >                         <[email protected]
>     >                         <mailto:[email protected]>>; Tony =
Przygienda
>     >                         <[email protected]
>     >                         <mailto:[email protected]>>; Hannes =
Gredler
>     >                         ([email protected] =
<mailto:[email protected]>)
>     >                         <[email protected] =
<mailto:[email protected]>>;
>     >                         [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>;
>     >                         [email protected] =
<mailto:[email protected]> list
>     >                         <[email protected] =
<mailto:[email protected]>>;
>     >                         Christian Hopps <[email protected]
>     >                         <mailto:[email protected]>>
>     >
>     >
>     >                         *Subject:* Re: [Bier] WGLC:
>     >                         draft-ietf-bier-isis-extensions-04____
>     >
>     >                         __ __
>     >
>     >                         Have these changes been reflected in the =
draft?
>     >                         We're in WGLC but this discussion needs =
to come
>     >                         to a conclusion so we can progress. ____
>     >
>     >                         __ __
>     >
>     >                         Greg____
>     >
>     >                         __ __
>     >
>     >                         On Tue, Jul 25, 2017 at 12:52 PM, =
Toerless
>     >                         Eckert <[email protected] =
<mailto:[email protected]>>
>     >                         wrote:____
>     >
>     >                             Thanks, Less, that would be lovely!
>     >
>     >                             I didn't check the OSPF draft, if =
its
>     >                             similar state, explanatory text wold =
equally
>     >                             be appreciated.____
>     >
>     >
>     >                             On Sun, Jul 23, 2017 at 11:28:08PM =
+0000,
>     >                             Les Ginsberg (ginsberg) wrote:
>     >                              > Toerless -
>     >                              >
>     >                              > I am thinking to add a statement =
in
>     >                             Section 4.1 - something like:
>     >                              >
>     >                              > "At present, IS-IS support for a =
given
>     >                             BIER domain/sub-domain is limited to =
a
>     >                             single area - or to the IS-IS L2 =
sub-domain."
>     >                              >
>     >                              > If you believe this would be =
helpful I
>     >                             will spin a new version (subject to
>     >                             review/agreement from my =
co-authors).
>     >                              >
>     >                              >    Les
>     >                              >
>     >                              >
>     >                              > > -----Original Message-----
>     >                              > > From: Toerless Eckert
>     >                             [mailto:[email protected] =
<mailto:[email protected]>]
>     >                              > > Sent: Saturday, July 22, 2017 =
6:34 AM
>     >                              > > To: Les Ginsberg (ginsberg)
>     >                              > > Cc: Tony Przygienda; Hannes =
Gredler
>     >                             ([email protected]
>     >                             <mailto:[email protected]>); Greg =
Shepherd;
>     >                              > > [email protected] =
<mailto:[email protected]>;
>     >                             [email protected] =
<mailto:[email protected]>
>     >                             list; Christian Hopps
>     >                              > > Subject: Re: [Bier] WGLC:
>     >                             draft-ietf-bier-isis-extensions-04
>     >                              > >
>     >                              > > Thanks Les
>     >                              > >
>     >                              > > When searching various terms in =
the doc
>     >                             to figure out what happens i am not
>     >                              > > sure why i missed this one.
>     >                              > >
>     >                              > > But: IMHO, RFCs can not only be =
the
>     >                             minimum number of words to get a
>     >                              > > running implementation. It also =
needs
>     >                             to specify what this implementation
>     >                              > > intends to achieve. Otherwise =
its not
>     >                             possible to do a useful review:
>     >                              > > The reviewer can to verify =
whether the
>     >                             spec will achieve what it claims to
>     >                              > > achieve is there no definitionn =
of what
>     >                             it claims to achieve.
>     >                              > >
>     >                              > > If i understand ISIS correctly, =
my
>     >                             reverse engineering of the intent =
is:
>     >                              > >
>     >                              > > - BIER TLVs stay within single =
ISIS
>     >                             areas. BFIR and BFER must therefore =
be
>     >                              > >   in the same ISIS area: There =
is no
>     >                             inter-area BIER traffic possible
>     >                              > >   with this specification. This =
is also
>     >                             true for ISIS area 0.
>     >                              > >
>     >                              > > - The same BIER sub-domain =
identifiers
>     >                             can be re-used
>     >                              > >   across different ISIS areas =
without
>     >                             any current impact. If these BFR-IDs
>     >                              > >   are non-overlapping, then =
this would
>     >                             allow in the future to create a =
single
>     >                              > >   cross ISIS area BIER =
sub-domain by
>     >                             leaking TLVs for such a BIER =
sub-domain
>     >                              > >   across ISIS levels. Leakage =
is
>     >                             outside the scope of this =
specificication.
>     >                              > >
>     >                              > > I actually even would like to =
do the
>     >                             following:
>     >                              > >
>     >                              > > - If BIER sub-domains are made =
to span
>     >                             multiple ISIS areas and BFR-ids
>     >                              > > assignemtns
>     >                              > >   are made such that all =
BFR-ids with
>     >                             the same SI are in the same ISIS =
ara,
>     >                              > >   then it should be in the =
future
>     >                             reasonably easy to create inter-area =
BIER
>     >                              > >   not by leaking of the BIER =
TLV but by
>     >                             having BFIR MPLS unicastBIER packets
>     >                              > >   for different SIs to an =
appropriate
>     >                             L2L1 BFIR that is part of the =
destination
>     >                              > > area/SI.
>     >                              > >   (if you would use SI number =
that are
>     >                             the same as ISIS area numbers then
>     >                              > >    you could probably do this =
without
>     >                             any new signaling. Not quite sure if
>     >                              > >    you can today easily find =
L1L2
>     >                             border router for another area via =
existing
>     >                              > >    TLVs).
>     >                              > >
>     >                              > >   Alas, this idea will probably =
be
>     >                             killed because of the BIER =
architecture
>     >                              > >   intent not to engineer SI =
assignments
>     >                             in geographical fashions to
>     >                              > >   minimize traffic duplication =
in the
>     >                             presence of multiple SIs.
>     >                              > >
>     >                              > > Cheers
>     >                              > >     Toerless
>     >                              > >
>     >                              > > On Sat, Jul 22, 2017 at =
06:03:53AM
>     >                             +0000, Les Ginsberg (ginsberg) =
wrote:
>     >                              > > > Tony/Toerless ???
>     >                              > > >
>     >                              > > > There is an explicit =
statement as to
>     >                             scope:
>     >                              > > >
>     >                              > > > <snip>
>     >                              > > > Section 4.2
>     >                              > > > ???
>     >                              > > >    o  BIER sub-TLVs MUST NOT =
be
>     >                             included when a prefix reachability
>     >                              > > >       advertisement is leaked =
between
>     >                             levels.
>     >                              > > > <end snip>
>     >                              > > >
>     >                              > > > Tony seems to have forgotten =
that we
>     >                             had a discussion about how BIER
>     >                              > > might be supported across areas =
and the
>     >                             conclusion was we did not know
>     >                              > > how to do that yet.
>     >                              > > > (Sorry Tony)
>     >                              > > >
>     >                              > > > Note this is ???consistent??? =
with
>     >                             =
https://www.ietf.org/id/draft-ietf-bier-
>     >                             =
<https://www.ietf.org/id/draft-ietf-bier->
>     >                              > > ospf-bier-extensions-07.txt =
Section
>     >                             =
2.5<https://www.ietf.org/id/draft-ietf-
>     >                             =
<https://www.ietf.org/id/draft-ietf->
>     >                              > >
>     >                             =
bier-ospf-bier-extensions-07.txt%20Section%202.5>
>     >                             - which limits the
>     >                              > > flooding scope of BIER =
information to a
>     >                             single area unless it can be =
validated
>     >                              > > that the best path to the =
prefix with
>     >                             BIER info can be validated to be to =
a
>     >                              > > router which itself advertised =
the BIER
>     >                             info. This is not something IS-IS =
can do
>     >                              > > since a single IS-IS instance =
only
>     >                             supports one area and therefore does =
not
>     >                              > > have the Level-1 advertisements =
of the
>     >                             originating router when that router =
is
>     >                              > > in another area.
>     >                              > > >
>     >                              > > > A few more responses inline.
>     >                              > > >
>     >                              > > > From: BIER
>     >                             [mailto:[email protected]
>     >                             <mailto:[email protected]>] On =
Behalf Of
>     >                             Tony Przygienda
>     >                              > > > Sent: Friday, July 21, 2017 =
5:17 AM
>     >                              > > > To: Toerless Eckert
>     >                              > > > Cc: Hannes Gredler =
([email protected]
>     >                             <mailto:[email protected]>); Greg =
Shepherd;
>     >                             [email protected] =
<mailto:[email protected]>;
>     >                              > > > [email protected]
>     >                             <mailto:[email protected]> list; =
Christian Hopps
>     >                              > > > Subject: Re: [Bier] WGLC:
>     >                             draft-ietf-bier-isis-extensions-04
>     >                              > > >
>     >                              > > > Terminology is a bit nits  =
IMO since
>     >                             the doc is reading clear enough for
>     >                              > > someone who read BIER & ISIS. I =
can
>     >                             reread it or Les can comment whether
>     >                              > > we should tighten glossary ...
>     >                              > > >
>     >                              > > > With the scope I agree, that =
got lost
>     >                             and the doc should be possibly =
rev'ed
>     >                              > > before closing LC. Yes, we =
flood AD
>     >                             wide was the agreement but something
>     >                              > > mentioning that this could =
change in
>     >                             the future is good so we are forced =
to
>     >                              > > give it some thought how that =
would
>     >                             transition ...
>     >                              > > >
>     >                              > > > Thinking further though, in =
ISIS we
>     >                             have a clean document really. The  =
BIER
>     >                              > > sub-TLVs go into well defined =
TLVs in
>     >                             terms of flooding scope. Normal =
L1-L2
>     >                              > > redistribution can be used to =
get the
>     >                             info to all needed places AFAIS. So
>     >                              > > maybe nothing needs to be =
written. I
>     >                             wait for Les to chime in.
>     >                              > > >
>     >                              > > > OSPF I would have to look @ =
scopes
>     >                             again & think whether we need to
>     >                              > > write something or maybe Peter =
can
>     >                             comment ...
>     >                              > > >
>     >                              > > > --- tony
>     >                              > > >
>     >                              > > >
>     >                              > > >
>     >                              > > > On Fri, Jul 21, 2017 at 8:27 =
AM,
>     >                             Toerless Eckert
>     >                              > > <[email protected]
>     >                             =
<mailto:[email protected]><mailto:[email protected]
>     >                             <mailto:[email protected]>>> wrote:
>     >                              > > > Sorry, past the two weeks, =
but
>     >                             hopefully  benign textual comments:
>     >                              > > >
>     >                              > > > We tried to find an explicit
>     >                             statement about the scope of BIER =
TLVs - eg:
>     >                              > > > are they meant to stay within =
an
>     >                             area, have some redistribution =
across
>     >                              > > > areas/levels or not.
>     >                              > > >
>     >                              > > > Tony said WG agreement was to =
have
>     >                             these TLV be flooded across the
>     >                              > > > whole ISIS domain for now =
(this
>     >                             draft). So an explicit statement to =
that
>     >                              > > effect would
>     >                              > > > be great (All BIER =
sub-domains TLVs
>     >                             are flooded across all ISIS =
areas/levels,
>     >                              > > so they span the whole ISIS =
domain).
>     >                              > > >
>     >                              > > > Also, if future work =
may/should could
>     >                             improve on that maybe some
>     >                              > > > sentence about that (i guess =
one
>     >                             could just have ISIS intra-area BIER =
sub-
>     >                              > > domains ?).
>     >                              > > >
>     >                              > > > Also: Do a check about =
possible
>     >                             ambiguity of any generic terms like
>     >                              > > sub-domain, level, area, =
topology so
>     >                             that reader that don't know the
>     >                              > > terminology ofall protocols =
(ISIS,
>     >                             BIER) by heart can easily know which
>     >                              > > protocol is referred to.
>     >                              > > >
>     >                              > > > [Les:] There is no mention of
>     >                             ???level??? in the document.
>     >                              > > > The use of ???sub-domain??? =
is
>     >                             clearly always associated with =
???BIER???.
>     >                              > > > ???topology??? is always used =
as an
>     >                             RFC 5120 topology ??? therefore
>     >                              > > clearly an IS-IS topology.
>     >                              > > > There is only one use of the =
term
>     >                             ???area??? (in Section 5.1). That =
text
>     >                              > > might deserve a bit of =
clarification
>     >                             given this might be either a Level 1 =
area or
>     >                              > > the Level2 sub-domain. I???ll =
take a
>     >                             pass at it.
>     >                              > > > (BTW ??? I am talking about =
IS-IS
>     >                             area/L2sub-domain Toerless. ???)
>     >                              > > >
>     >                              > > > I don???t see that any other
>     >                             clarification is needed ??? but =
Toerless ??? if
>     >                              > > you can point to any specific
>     >                             sentences/paragraphs which you find =
confusing
>     >                              > > - I???ll take a second look.
>     >                              > > >
>     >                              > > >    Les
>     >                              > > >
>     >                              > > >
>     >                              > > > I guess there are no BIER =
level, area
>     >                             or topologies, but still makes
>     >                              > > > reading easier if the doc =
would say
>     >                             "ISIS level", "ISIS area", or at
>     >                              > > > least have them in the =
Terminology
>     >                             section. And probably in
>     >                              > > > terminology say "domain -> in =
the
>     >                             context of this document the BIER
>     >                              > > domain which is also the same =
as the
>     >                             ISIS domain"
>     >                              > > > (which i hope is the correct
>     >                             statement, see above).
>     >                              > > >
>     >                              > > > Cheers
>     >                              > > >     Toerless
>     >                              > > >
>     >                              > > >
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<html><body style=3D"word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; =
-webkit-line-break: after-white-space;">Les,<div class=3D""><br =
class=3D""></div><div class=3D""><blockquote type=3D"cite" class=3D"">(If =
MPLS encapsulation (Section 2.1 of [MPLS_BIER_ENCAPS]) is<br =
class=3D"">&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; being used, this means that every BFR =
that is advertising a label<br class=3D"">&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; for =
sub-domain S is advertising a label for the combination of<br =
class=3D"">&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; sub-domain S and Disposition =
BitStringLength L.)</blockquote></div><div class=3D""><br =
class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">It says, if MPLS encapsulation is used, =
there is a Label for the {SD, BSL}. So, if there is non-MPLS (ether) =
only, there will not be a Label and the compatibility check will fail. =
Is that not the same a router that does not support MPLS BIER, and =
treated as a non-BIER router?</div><div class=3D""><br =
class=3D""></div><div class=3D""><blockquote type=3D"cite" =
class=3D"">[Les:] I don=E2=80=99t see how this text can be used to mean =
=E2=80=9Cmultiple encap types can be supported on the same&nbsp;BFR for =
a given &lt;MT,SD&gt;=E2=80=9D.<br class=3D"">???<br =
class=3D""></blockquote><br class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">Are these =
not like ships in the night? Like an Prefix can be reachable over MPLS =
and IP on the same interface? I do assume you want to stay with the =
encapsulation that you where provisioned in and not move from MPLS into =
non-MPLS. Why do you need to say you can support both?</div><div =
class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">Thx,</div><div =
class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">Ice.</div><div =
class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div =
class=3D""><blockquote type=3D"cite" class=3D"">On 12 Feb 2018, at =
22:16, Les Ginsberg (ginsberg) &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email protected]" =
class=3D"">[email protected]</a>&gt; wrote:<br class=3D""><br =
class=3D"">Ice -<br class=3D"">&nbsp;<br class=3D"">From:&nbsp;IJsbrand =
Wijnands (iwijnand)&nbsp;<br class=3D"">Sent:&nbsp;Monday, February 12, =
2018 12:58 PM<br class=3D"">To:&nbsp;Les Ginsberg (ginsberg) &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email protected]" =
class=3D"">[email protected]</a>&gt;<br class=3D"">Cc:&nbsp;Acee Lindem =
(acee) &lt;[email protected]&gt;;&nbsp;[email protected]; Peter Psenak =
(ppsenak) &lt;[email protected]&gt;;&nbsp;[email protected]&nbsp;list =
&lt;[email protected]&gt;<br class=3D"">Subject:&nbsp;Re: [Bier] WGLC: =
draft-ietf-bier-isis-extensions-04<br class=3D"">&nbsp;<br =
class=3D"">Les,<br class=3D""><br class=3D""><br class=3D"">Perhaps the =
thread is too long and you have gotten confused. J<br class=3D"">&nbsp;<br=
 class=3D"">Maybe :-), but...<br class=3D""><br class=3D""><br =
class=3D"">The point being discussed now is support for multiple =
encapsulation types (BSL conversion was mentioned in the&nbsp;thread =E2=80=
=93 but it is NOT the subject being discussed at the moment).<br =
class=3D"">&nbsp;<br class=3D"">I got that, it was removed after a long =
debate sometime back.<br class=3D""><br class=3D""><br =
class=3D"">&nbsp;<br class=3D"">In latest IS-IS BIER draft we =
changed:<br class=3D"">&nbsp;<br class=3D"">&nbsp; &nbsp; &gt; &nbsp; =
&nbsp; All routers in the flooding scope of the BIER TLVs MUST advertise =
the<br class=3D"">&nbsp; &nbsp; &gt; &nbsp; &nbsp; same encapsulation =
for a given &lt;MT,SD&gt;. &nbsp;A router discovering<br class=3D"">&nbsp;=
 &nbsp; &gt; &nbsp; &nbsp; encapsulation advertised that is different =
from its own MUST report a<br class=3D"">&nbsp; &nbsp; &gt; &nbsp; =
&nbsp; misconfiguration of a specific &lt;MT,SD&gt;. &nbsp;All received =
BIER<br class=3D"">&nbsp; &nbsp; &gt; &nbsp; &nbsp; advertisements =
associated with the conflicting &lt;MT, SD&gt; pair MUST be<br =
class=3D"">&nbsp; &nbsp; &gt; &nbsp; &nbsp; ignored.<br class=3D"">&nbsp; =
&nbsp; &gt;<br class=3D"">&nbsp; &nbsp; &gt; "<br class=3D"">&nbsp; =
&nbsp; &gt;<br class=3D"">&nbsp; &nbsp; &gt; to<br class=3D"">&nbsp; =
&nbsp; &gt;<br class=3D"">&nbsp; &nbsp; &gt; "<br class=3D"">&nbsp; =
&nbsp; &gt;<br class=3D"">&nbsp; &nbsp; &gt; &nbsp; &nbsp; Multiple =
encapsulations MAY be advertised/supported for a given<br =
class=3D"">&nbsp; &nbsp; &gt; &nbsp; &nbsp; &lt;MT,SD&gt;. =
&nbsp;Clearly, however, there MUST be at least one encapsulation<br =
class=3D"">&nbsp; &nbsp; &gt; &nbsp; &nbsp; type in common in order for =
a BIER encapsulated packet to be<br class=3D"">&nbsp; &nbsp; &gt; &nbsp; =
&nbsp; successfully forwarded between two BFRs.<br class=3D"">&nbsp; =
&nbsp; &gt;<br class=3D"">&nbsp;<br class=3D"">Point has been made that =
this really belongs in the architecture RFC, but since it isn=E2=80=99t =
there it may make sense for&nbsp;the IGP drafts to mention it.<br =
class=3D"">&nbsp;<br class=3D"">Below is taken from "6.10.1. =
&nbsp;BitStringLength Compatibility Check=E2=80=9D RFC 8279, does this =
not cover it?&nbsp;<br class=3D"">&nbsp;<br class=3D"">****<br =
class=3D"">The combination of sub-domain S and Imposition =
BitStringLength L<br class=3D"">&nbsp; &nbsp;passes the BitStringLength =
Compatibility Check if and only if the<br class=3D"">&nbsp; =
&nbsp;following condition holds:<br class=3D"">&nbsp;<br class=3D"">&nbsp;=
 &nbsp; &nbsp; Every BFR that has advertised its membership in =
sub-domain S has<br class=3D"">&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; also advertised that =
it is using Disposition BitStringLength L<br class=3D"">&nbsp; &nbsp; =
&nbsp; (and possibly other BitStringLengths as well) in that =
sub-domain.<br class=3D"">&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; (If MPLS encapsulation =
(Section 2.1 of [MPLS_BIER_ENCAPS]) is<br class=3D"">&nbsp; &nbsp; =
&nbsp; being used, this means that every BFR that is advertising a =
label<br class=3D"">&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; for sub-domain S is advertising =
a label for the combination of<br class=3D"">&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; =
sub-domain S and Disposition BitStringLength L.)<br class=3D""><br =
class=3D"">If a BFIR has been provisioned to use a particular =
Imposition<br class=3D"">&nbsp; &nbsp;BitStringLength and a particular =
sub-domain for some set of packets,<br class=3D"">&nbsp; &nbsp;and if =
that combination of Imposition BitStringLength and sub-domain<br =
class=3D"">&nbsp; &nbsp;does not pass the BitStringLength Compatibility =
Check, the BFIR<br class=3D"">&nbsp; &nbsp;SHOULD log this fact as an =
error.&nbsp;<br class=3D"">****<br class=3D"">&nbsp;<br class=3D"">[Les:] =
I don=E2=80=99t see how this text can be used to mean =E2=80=9Cmultiple =
encap types can be supported on the same BFR for a given =
&lt;MT,SD&gt;=E2=80=9D.<br class=3D"">???<br class=3D"">&nbsp;<br =
class=3D"">&nbsp; &nbsp;Les<br class=3D"">&nbsp;<br class=3D"">&nbsp;<br =
class=3D"">Thx,<br class=3D"">&nbsp;<br class=3D"">Ice.<br class=3D""><br =
class=3D""><br class=3D"">&nbsp;<br class=3D"">In the case of IS-IS, =
because earlier versions of the draft had an explicit statement which we =
now consider too&nbsp;limiting, it made sense to make an explicit =
statement of the more flexible behavior.<br class=3D"">&nbsp;<br =
class=3D"">In the case of OSPF, the overly restrictive text was never =
present, so it is more debatable as to whether the&nbsp;clarifying =
statement is needed =E2=80=93 but doing so keeps the drafts in sync.<br =
class=3D"">&nbsp;<br class=3D"">Still, the =E2=80=9Cright solution=E2=80=9D=
 would be to have the statement in RFC 8279 =E2=80=93 but a bit late for =
that.<br class=3D"">&nbsp;<br class=3D"">&nbsp; &nbsp;Les<br =
class=3D"">&nbsp;<br class=3D"">&nbsp;<br class=3D"">From: IJsbrand =
Wijnands (iwijnand)&nbsp;<br class=3D"">Sent: Monday, February 12, 2018 =
12:05 PM<br class=3D"">To: Acee Lindem (acee) &lt;[email protected]&gt;<br =
class=3D"">Cc: Tony Przygienda &lt;[email protected]&gt;; Les Ginsberg =
(ginsberg) =
&lt;[email protected]&gt;;&nbsp;[email protected];&nbsp;[email protected]&nbsp=
;list &lt;[email protected]&gt;; Peter Psenak (ppsenak) =
&lt;[email protected]&gt;<br class=3D"">Subject: Re: [Bier] WGLC: =
draft-ietf-bier-isis-extensions-04<br class=3D"">&nbsp;<br =
class=3D"">Folks,<br class=3D"">&nbsp;<br class=3D"">I would say its =
wrong to try and fix the BIER architecture by adding this into the IGP =
drafts. The IGP is a pass-through for the BIER information, and adding =
this text seems to imply that the IGP now needs to become =
BIER&nbsp;aware in order to detect and trigger notifications of =
encapsulation incompatibilities.&nbsp;<br class=3D"">&nbsp;<br =
class=3D"">The BIER architecture RFC 8279 has section 6.10 "Use of =
Different BitStringLengths within a Domain=E2=80=9D, what =
is&nbsp;missing in that section that would justify the IGP to become =
aware of BitStringLength differences? IMO everything&nbsp;is covered.<br =
class=3D"">&nbsp;<br class=3D"">Thx,<br class=3D"">&nbsp;<br =
class=3D"">Ice.<br class=3D""><br class=3D""><br class=3D"">On 12 Feb =
2018, at 19:33, Acee Lindem (acee) &lt;[email protected]&gt; wrote:<br =
class=3D""><br class=3D"">Hi Tony,&nbsp;<br class=3D"">I agree that =
since architecture has been published, it would not hurt to add the 5.2 =
text to the IGP documents. &nbsp;<br class=3D"">Thanks,<br =
class=3D"">Acee<br class=3D"">&nbsp;<br class=3D"">From: Tony Przygienda =
&lt;[email protected]&gt;<br class=3D"">Date: Monday, February 12, =
2018 at 12:13 PM<br class=3D"">To: Acee Lindem &lt;[email protected]&gt;<br =
class=3D"">Cc: "Peter Psenak (ppsenak)" &lt;[email protected]&gt;, "Les =
Ginsberg (ginsberg)" &lt;[email protected]&gt;,&nbsp;"[email protected]" =
&lt;[email protected]&gt;, "[email protected] list" =
&lt;[email protected]&gt;<br class=3D"">Subject: Re: [Bier] WGLC: =
draft-ietf-bier-isis-extensions-04<br class=3D"">&nbsp;<br =
class=3D"">Peter, Acee, agree that this was missed in architecture and =
we should have talked about multiple encaps on a link&nbsp;there (just =
like we mentioned the BSL conversion). Alas, it was theoretical then and =
we missed. It was just a&nbsp;suggestion here to put it into IGP draft =
as we did in ISIS. I'm fine whichever way you guys feel it's better and =
a&nbsp;clarification draft can be always published later after more =
experience in the field albeit it seems that the issue is&nbsp;straight =
fwd' for most old hands, it's a link local decision so just use any =
matching encaps to transfer, however the&nbsp;computation has to agree =
to prevent blackholes &nbsp;...<br class=3D""><br class=3D"">Otherwise =
went through the important sections on -11 and looks good to me, no =
further comments. Thanks for the&nbsp;work<br class=3D"">&nbsp;<br =
class=3D"">--- tony<br class=3D"">&nbsp;<br class=3D"">On Mon, Feb 12, =
2018 at 7:58 AM, Acee Lindem (acee) &lt;[email protected]&gt; wrote:<br =
class=3D"">With respect to the text in section 5.2, I agree with =
Peter.<br class=3D""><br class=3D"">Thanks<br class=3D"">Acee<br =
class=3D""><br class=3D"">On 2/12/18, 9:59 AM, "BIER on behalf of Peter =
Psenak (ppsenak)" &lt;[email protected] on behalf =
of&nbsp;[email protected]&gt; wrote:<br class=3D""><br class=3D"">&nbsp; =
&nbsp; Hi Tony,<br class=3D""><br class=3D"">&nbsp; &nbsp; OSPF does not =
have the original text, so it does not need the new one.<br class=3D""><br=
 class=3D"">&nbsp; &nbsp; IMHO, the text in section 5 of ISIS BIER draft =
suits better to the BIER<br class=3D"">&nbsp; &nbsp; architecture draft =
than to the IGP extension draft.<br class=3D""><br class=3D"">&nbsp; =
&nbsp; thanks,<br class=3D"">&nbsp; &nbsp; Peter<br class=3D""><br =
class=3D""><br class=3D"">&nbsp; &nbsp; On 09/02/18 20:17 , Tony =
Przygienda wrote:<br class=3D"">&nbsp; &nbsp; &gt; Sure ;-) &nbsp;let me =
ping Peter @ the bottom then ... I don't think any of<br class=3D"">&nbsp;=
 &nbsp; &gt; the stuff applies to OSPF (was ISIS nits) except we can =
consider an<br class=3D"">&nbsp; &nbsp; &gt; encaps paragraph. We =
basically suggest both to replace in ISIS the<br class=3D"">&nbsp; =
&nbsp; &gt; encaps section like this<br class=3D"">&nbsp; &nbsp; &gt;<br =
class=3D"">&nbsp; &nbsp; &gt; before:<br class=3D"">&nbsp; &nbsp; =
&gt;<br class=3D"">&nbsp; &nbsp; &gt; "<br class=3D"">&nbsp; &nbsp; &gt; =
&nbsp; &nbsp; All routers in the flooding scope of the BIER TLVs MUST =
advertise the<br class=3D"">&nbsp; &nbsp; &gt; &nbsp; &nbsp; same =
encapsulation for a given &lt;MT,SD&gt;. &nbsp;A router discovering<br =
class=3D"">&nbsp; &nbsp; &gt; &nbsp; &nbsp; encapsulation advertised =
that is different from its own MUST report a<br class=3D"">&nbsp; &nbsp; =
&gt; &nbsp; &nbsp; misconfiguration of a specific &lt;MT,SD&gt;. =
&nbsp;All received BIER<br class=3D"">&nbsp; &nbsp; &gt; &nbsp; &nbsp; =
advertisements associated with the conflicting &lt;MT, SD&gt; pair MUST =
be<br class=3D"">&nbsp; &nbsp; &gt; &nbsp; &nbsp; ignored.<br =
class=3D"">&nbsp; &nbsp; &gt;<br class=3D"">&nbsp; &nbsp; &gt; "<br =
class=3D"">&nbsp; &nbsp; &gt;<br class=3D"">&nbsp; &nbsp; &gt; now<br =
class=3D"">&nbsp; &nbsp; &gt;<br class=3D"">&nbsp; &nbsp; &gt; "<br =
class=3D"">&nbsp; &nbsp; &gt;<br class=3D"">&nbsp; &nbsp; &gt; &nbsp; =
&nbsp; Multiple encapsulations MAY be advertised/supported for a =
given<br class=3D"">&nbsp; &nbsp; &gt; &nbsp; &nbsp; &lt;MT,SD&gt;. =
&nbsp;Clearly, however, there MUST be at least one encapsulation<br =
class=3D"">&nbsp; &nbsp; &gt; &nbsp; &nbsp; type in common in order for =
a BIER encapsulated packet to be<br class=3D"">&nbsp; &nbsp; &gt; &nbsp; =
&nbsp; successfully forwarded between two BFRs.<br class=3D"">&nbsp; =
&nbsp; &gt;<br class=3D"">&nbsp; &nbsp; &gt; "<br class=3D"">&nbsp; =
&nbsp; &gt;<br class=3D"">&nbsp; &nbsp; &gt; I do think that OSPF would =
benefit from adding this section to clarify<br class=3D"">&nbsp; &nbsp; =
&gt; the issue which is not theoretical now that we have Ethernet.<br =
class=3D"">&nbsp; &nbsp; &gt;<br class=3D"">&nbsp; &nbsp; &gt;<br =
class=3D"">&nbsp; &nbsp; &gt; So Peter, any ETA on outstanding OSPF nits =
now that we're tying up the<br class=3D"">&nbsp; &nbsp; &gt; IETF LC?<br =
class=3D"">&nbsp; &nbsp; &gt;<br class=3D"">&nbsp; &nbsp; &gt; thanks<br =
class=3D"">&nbsp; &nbsp; &gt;<br class=3D"">&nbsp; &nbsp; &gt; --- =
tony<br class=3D"">&nbsp; &nbsp; &gt;<br class=3D"">&nbsp; &nbsp; =
&gt;<br class=3D"">&nbsp; &nbsp; &gt; On Fri, Feb 9, 2018 at 11:12 AM, =
Greg Shepherd &lt;[email protected]<br class=3D"">&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp;&gt; =
&lt;mailto:[email protected]&gt;&gt; wrote:<br class=3D"">&nbsp; &nbsp; =
&gt;<br class=3D"">&nbsp; &nbsp; &gt; &nbsp; &nbsp; No I didn't. Why =
would I? These are the changes you and Les worked<br class=3D"">&nbsp; =
&nbsp; &gt; &nbsp; &nbsp; out. I assumed you'd share them as needed. If =
for some reason you're<br class=3D"">&nbsp; &nbsp; &gt; &nbsp; &nbsp; =
uncomfortable engaging with the OSPF draft thread and authors with<br =
class=3D"">&nbsp; &nbsp; &gt; &nbsp; &nbsp; your proposed changes, let =
me know and I'll broker the conversation.<br class=3D"">&nbsp; &nbsp; =
&gt;<br class=3D"">&nbsp; &nbsp; &gt; &nbsp; &nbsp; Greg<br =
class=3D"">&nbsp; &nbsp; &gt;<br class=3D"">&nbsp; &nbsp; &gt; &nbsp; =
&nbsp; On Fri, Feb 9, 2018 at 11:04 AM, Tony Przygienda<br =
class=3D"">&nbsp; &nbsp; &gt; &nbsp; &nbsp; &lt;[email protected] =
&lt;mailto:[email protected]&gt;&gt; wrote:<br class=3D"">&nbsp; =
&nbsp; &gt;<br class=3D"">&nbsp; &nbsp; &gt; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; =
Les has the diff, I'd expect him to publish any minute to the<br =
class=3D"">&nbsp; &nbsp; &gt; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; list ... The =
encaps was a real defect, the rest is just<br class=3D"">&nbsp; &nbsp; =
&gt; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; tightening down the language/spec where =
it was too loose/too<br class=3D"">&nbsp; &nbsp; &gt; &nbsp; &nbsp; =
&nbsp; &nbsp; strict.<br class=3D"">&nbsp; &nbsp; &gt;<br =
class=3D"">&nbsp; &nbsp; &gt; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; OSPF still =
needs update with conversion TLV removed, same<br class=3D"">&nbsp; =
&nbsp; &gt; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; paragraph on encaps could be =
useful. I hope Greg pinged Peter ...<br class=3D"">&nbsp; &nbsp; &gt;<br =
class=3D"">&nbsp; &nbsp; &gt; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; thanks<br =
class=3D"">&nbsp; &nbsp; &gt;<br class=3D"">&nbsp; &nbsp; &gt; &nbsp; =
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; tony<br class=3D"">&nbsp; &nbsp; &gt;<br =
class=3D"">&nbsp; &nbsp; &gt; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; On Fri, Feb 9, =
2018 at 10:58 AM, Alia Atlas &lt;[email protected]<br class=3D"">&nbsp; =
&nbsp;&nbsp;&gt; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; =
&lt;mailto:[email protected]&gt;&gt; wrote:<br class=3D"">&nbsp; &nbsp; =
&gt;<br class=3D"">&nbsp; &nbsp; &gt; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; =
&nbsp; On Fri, Feb 9, 2018 at 12:46 PM, Tony Przygienda<br =
class=3D"">&nbsp; &nbsp; &gt; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; =
&lt;[email protected] &lt;mailto:[email protected]&gt;&gt; wrote:<br =
class=3D"">&nbsp; &nbsp; &gt;<br class=3D"">&nbsp; &nbsp; &gt; &nbsp; =
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; Went last nits with =
Les, we found one issue (encaps<br class=3D"">&nbsp; &nbsp; &gt; &nbsp; =
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; section was wrong, need =
to look @ OSPF as well) and<br class=3D"">&nbsp; &nbsp; &gt; &nbsp; =
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; basically tightened =
language in few places.<br class=3D"">&nbsp; &nbsp; &gt;<br =
class=3D"">&nbsp; &nbsp; &gt;<br class=3D"">&nbsp; &nbsp; &gt; &nbsp; =
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; K - please get that &nbsp;out with =
the details of changes to the<br class=3D"">&nbsp; &nbsp; &gt; &nbsp; =
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; list. &nbsp;I did my AD review back =
in Oct and looked at the<br class=3D"">&nbsp; &nbsp; &gt; &nbsp; &nbsp; =
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; differences before issuing<br =
class=3D"">&nbsp; &nbsp; &gt; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; =
IETF Last Call.<br class=3D"">&nbsp; &nbsp; &gt;<br class=3D"">&nbsp; =
&nbsp; &gt; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; I look forward to =
reviewing the minor changes.<br class=3D"">&nbsp; &nbsp; &gt;<br =
class=3D"">&nbsp; &nbsp; &gt; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; =
Regards,<br class=3D"">&nbsp; &nbsp; &gt; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; =
&nbsp; &nbsp; Alia<br class=3D"">&nbsp; &nbsp; &gt;<br class=3D"">&nbsp; =
&nbsp; &gt; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; =
tony<br class=3D"">&nbsp; &nbsp; &gt;<br class=3D"">&nbsp; &nbsp; &gt; =
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; On Tue, Feb 6, =
2018 at 3:45 PM, Greg Shepherd<br class=3D"">&nbsp; &nbsp; &gt; &nbsp; =
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &lt;[email protected] =
&lt;mailto:[email protected]&gt;&gt; wrote:<br class=3D"">&nbsp; &nbsp; =
&gt;<br class=3D"">&nbsp; &nbsp; &gt; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; =
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; Thanks Les.<br class=3D"">&nbsp; =
&nbsp; &gt;<br class=3D"">&nbsp; &nbsp; &gt; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; =
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; Any other feedback? Looks like =
the concerns have<br class=3D"">&nbsp; &nbsp; &gt; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; =
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; been addressed. Speak =
now.<br class=3D"">&nbsp; &nbsp; &gt;<br class=3D"">&nbsp; &nbsp; &gt; =
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; =
Cheers,<br class=3D"">&nbsp; &nbsp; &gt; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; =
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; Greg<br class=3D"">&nbsp; =
&nbsp; &gt;<br class=3D"">&nbsp; &nbsp; &gt; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; =
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; On Thu, Feb 1, 2018 at 7:26 =
AM, Les Ginsberg<br class=3D"">&nbsp; &nbsp; &gt; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; =
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; (ginsberg) =
&lt;[email protected]<br class=3D"">&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp;&gt; &nbsp; =
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; =
&lt;mailto:[email protected]&gt;&gt; wrote:<br class=3D"">&nbsp; &nbsp; =
&gt;<br class=3D"">&nbsp; &nbsp; &gt; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; =
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; Greg =E2=80=93____<br =
class=3D"">&nbsp; &nbsp; &gt;<br class=3D"">&nbsp; &nbsp; &gt; &nbsp; =
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; =
&nbsp; __ __<br class=3D"">&nbsp; &nbsp; &gt;<br class=3D"">&nbsp; =
&nbsp; &gt; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; =
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; This thread is outdated.____<br =
class=3D"">&nbsp; &nbsp; &gt;<br class=3D"">&nbsp; &nbsp; &gt; &nbsp; =
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; =
&nbsp; In V6 of the draft we removed the restriction to<br =
class=3D"">&nbsp; &nbsp; &gt; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; =
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; limit IS-IS BIER support to =
area boundaries =E2=80=93 so<br class=3D"">&nbsp; &nbsp; &gt; &nbsp; =
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; =
&nbsp; Toerless=E2=80=99s comment (and my proposed text) are no<br =
class=3D"">&nbsp; &nbsp; &gt; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; =
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; longer relevant.____<br =
class=3D"">&nbsp; &nbsp; &gt;<br class=3D"">&nbsp; &nbsp; &gt; &nbsp; =
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; =
&nbsp; __ __<br class=3D"">&nbsp; &nbsp; &gt;<br class=3D"">&nbsp; =
&nbsp; &gt; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; =
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; Specifically:____<br class=3D"">&nbsp; =
&nbsp; &gt;<br class=3D"">&nbsp; &nbsp; &gt; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; =
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; __ __<br =
class=3D"">&nbsp; &nbsp; &gt;<br class=3D"">&nbsp; &nbsp; &gt; &nbsp; =
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; =
&nbsp; Section 4.1:____<br class=3D"">&nbsp; &nbsp; &gt;<br =
class=3D"">&nbsp; &nbsp; &gt; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; =
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; __ __<br class=3D"">&nbsp; =
&nbsp; &gt;<br class=3D"">&nbsp; &nbsp; &gt; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; =
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; =E2=80=9CAt =
present, IS-IS support for a given BIER<br class=3D"">&nbsp; &nbsp; &gt; =
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; =
&nbsp; &nbsp; domain/sub-domain is ____<br class=3D"">&nbsp; &nbsp; =
&gt;<br class=3D"">&nbsp; &nbsp; &gt; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; =
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; =
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; limited to a single =
area -<br class=3D"">&nbsp; &nbsp; &gt; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; =
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; or to the IS-IS =
L2 sub-domain.=E2=80=9D____<br class=3D"">&nbsp; &nbsp; &gt;<br =
class=3D"">&nbsp; &nbsp; &gt; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; =
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; __ __<br class=3D"">&nbsp; =
&nbsp; &gt;<br class=3D"">&nbsp; &nbsp; &gt; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; =
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; The above text =
was removed.____<br class=3D"">&nbsp; &nbsp; &gt;<br class=3D"">&nbsp; =
&nbsp; &gt; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; =
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; __ __<br class=3D"">&nbsp; &nbsp; &gt;<br =
class=3D"">&nbsp; &nbsp; &gt; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; =
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; Section 4.2____<br =
class=3D"">&nbsp; &nbsp; &gt;<br class=3D"">&nbsp; &nbsp; &gt; &nbsp; =
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; =
&nbsp; __ __<br class=3D"">&nbsp; &nbsp; &gt;<br class=3D"">&nbsp; =
&nbsp; &gt; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; =
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; o &nbsp;BIER sub-TLVs MUST NOT be included =
when a<br class=3D"">&nbsp; &nbsp; &gt; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; =
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; prefix =
reachability____<br class=3D"">&nbsp; &nbsp; &gt;<br class=3D"">&nbsp; =
&nbsp; &gt; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; =
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;advertisement is =
leaked between levels.____<br class=3D"">&nbsp; &nbsp; &gt;<br =
class=3D"">&nbsp; &nbsp; &gt; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; =
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; __ __<br class=3D"">&nbsp; =
&nbsp; &gt;<br class=3D"">&nbsp; &nbsp; &gt; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; =
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; Was changed =
to____<br class=3D"">&nbsp; &nbsp; &gt;<br class=3D"">&nbsp; &nbsp; &gt; =
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; =
&nbsp; &nbsp; __ __<br class=3D"">&nbsp; &nbsp; &gt;<br class=3D"">&nbsp; =
&nbsp; &gt; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; =
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; o &nbsp;BIER sub-TLVs MUST be included when =
a prefix<br class=3D"">&nbsp; &nbsp; &gt; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; =
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; =
reachability____<br class=3D"">&nbsp; &nbsp; &gt;<br class=3D"">&nbsp; =
&nbsp; &gt; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; =
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;advertisement is =
leaked between levels.____<br class=3D"">&nbsp; &nbsp; &gt;<br =
class=3D"">&nbsp; &nbsp; &gt; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; =
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; __ __<br class=3D"">&nbsp; =
&nbsp; &gt;<br class=3D"">&nbsp; &nbsp; &gt; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; =
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; This aligns =
IS-IS and OSPF drafts in this<br class=3D"">&nbsp; &nbsp; &gt; &nbsp; =
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; =
&nbsp; regard.____<br class=3D"">&nbsp; &nbsp; &gt;<br class=3D"">&nbsp; =
&nbsp; &gt; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; =
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; __ __<br class=3D"">&nbsp; &nbsp; &gt;<br =
class=3D"">&nbsp; &nbsp; &gt; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; =
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;Les____<br =
class=3D"">&nbsp; &nbsp; &gt;<br class=3D"">&nbsp; &nbsp; &gt; &nbsp; =
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; =
&nbsp; __ __<br class=3D"">&nbsp; &nbsp; &gt;<br class=3D"">&nbsp; =
&nbsp; &gt; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; =
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; *From:*Greg Shepherd =
[mailto:[email protected]<br class=3D"">&nbsp; &nbsp; &gt; &nbsp; &nbsp; =
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; =
&lt;mailto:[email protected]&gt;]<br class=3D"">&nbsp; &nbsp; &gt; &nbsp; =
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; =
&nbsp; *Sent:* Thursday, February 01, 2018 2:23 AM<br class=3D"">&nbsp; =
&nbsp; &gt; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; =
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; *To:* Toerless Eckert &lt;[email protected]<br =
class=3D"">&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp;&gt; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; =
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; =
&lt;mailto:[email protected]&gt;&gt;<br class=3D"">&nbsp; &nbsp; &gt; &nbsp; =
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; =
&nbsp; *Cc:* Les Ginsberg (ginsberg)<br class=3D"">&nbsp; &nbsp; &gt; =
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; =
&nbsp; &nbsp; &lt;[email protected]<br class=3D"">&nbsp; =
&nbsp;&nbsp;&gt; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; =
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &lt;mailto:[email protected]&gt;&gt;; Tony =
Przygienda<br class=3D"">&nbsp; &nbsp; &gt; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; =
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; =
&lt;[email protected]<br class=3D"">&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp;&gt; &nbsp; =
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; =
&nbsp; &lt;mailto:[email protected]&gt;&gt;; Hannes Gredler<br =
class=3D"">&nbsp; &nbsp; &gt; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; =
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; =
([email protected]&nbsp;&lt;mailto:[email protected]&gt;)<br =
class=3D"">&nbsp; &nbsp; &gt; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; =
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &lt;[email protected] =
&lt;mailto:[email protected]&gt;&gt;;<br class=3D"">&nbsp; &nbsp; &gt; =
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; =
&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp;[email protected]&nbsp;&lt;mailto:[email protected]&gt;;<br =
class=3D"">&nbsp; &nbsp; &gt; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; =
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; =
&nbsp;&nbsp;[email protected]&nbsp;&lt;mailto:[email protected]&gt; =
list<br class=3D"">&nbsp; &nbsp; &gt; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; =
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &lt;[email protected] =
&lt;mailto:[email protected]&gt;&gt;;<br class=3D"">&nbsp; &nbsp; &gt; =
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; =
&nbsp; &nbsp; Christian Hopps &lt;[email protected]<br class=3D"">&nbsp; =
&nbsp;&nbsp;&gt; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; =
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &lt;mailto:[email protected]&gt;&gt;<br =
class=3D"">&nbsp; &nbsp; &gt;<br class=3D"">&nbsp; &nbsp; &gt;<br =
class=3D"">&nbsp; &nbsp; &gt; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; =
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; *Subject:* Re: [Bier] WGLC:<br =
class=3D"">&nbsp; &nbsp; &gt; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; =
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; =
draft-ietf-bier-isis-extensions-04____<br class=3D"">&nbsp; &nbsp; =
&gt;<br class=3D"">&nbsp; &nbsp; &gt; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; =
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; __ __<br =
class=3D"">&nbsp; &nbsp; &gt;<br class=3D"">&nbsp; &nbsp; &gt; &nbsp; =
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; =
&nbsp; Have these changes been reflected in the draft?<br =
class=3D"">&nbsp; &nbsp; &gt; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; =
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; We're in WGLC but this =
discussion needs to come<br class=3D"">&nbsp; &nbsp; &gt; &nbsp; &nbsp; =
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; to =
a conclusion so we can progress. ____<br class=3D"">&nbsp; &nbsp; =
&gt;<br class=3D"">&nbsp; &nbsp; &gt; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; =
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; __ __<br =
class=3D"">&nbsp; &nbsp; &gt;<br class=3D"">&nbsp; &nbsp; &gt; &nbsp; =
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; =
&nbsp; Greg____<br class=3D"">&nbsp; &nbsp; &gt;<br class=3D"">&nbsp; =
&nbsp; &gt; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; =
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; __ __<br class=3D"">&nbsp; &nbsp; &gt;<br =
class=3D"">&nbsp; &nbsp; &gt; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; =
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; On Tue, Jul 25, 2017 at 12:52 =
PM, Toerless<br class=3D"">&nbsp; &nbsp; &gt; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; =
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; Eckert =
&lt;[email protected] &lt;mailto:[email protected]&gt;&gt;<br class=3D"">&nbsp; =
&nbsp; &gt; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; =
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; wrote:____<br class=3D"">&nbsp; &nbsp; =
&gt;<br class=3D"">&nbsp; &nbsp; &gt; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; =
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; Thanks, =
Less, that would be lovely!<br class=3D"">&nbsp; &nbsp; &gt;<br =
class=3D"">&nbsp; &nbsp; &gt; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; =
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; I didn't check =
the OSPF draft, if its<br class=3D"">&nbsp; &nbsp; &gt; &nbsp; &nbsp; =
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; =
&nbsp; &nbsp; similar state, explanatory text wold equally<br =
class=3D"">&nbsp; &nbsp; &gt; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; =
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; be =
appreciated.____<br class=3D"">&nbsp; &nbsp; &gt;<br class=3D"">&nbsp; =
&nbsp; &gt;<br class=3D"">&nbsp; &nbsp; &gt; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; =
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; On =
Sun, Jul 23, 2017 at 11:28:08PM +0000,<br class=3D"">&nbsp; &nbsp; &gt; =
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; =
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; Les Ginsberg (ginsberg) wrote:<br =
class=3D"">&nbsp; &nbsp; &gt; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; =
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&gt; =
Toerless -<br class=3D"">&nbsp; &nbsp; &gt; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; =
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; =
&nbsp;&gt;<br class=3D"">&nbsp; &nbsp; &gt; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; =
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; =
&nbsp;&gt; I am thinking to add a statement in<br class=3D"">&nbsp; =
&nbsp; &gt; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; =
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; Section 4.1 - something =
like:<br class=3D"">&nbsp; &nbsp; &gt; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; =
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; =
&nbsp;&gt;<br class=3D"">&nbsp; &nbsp; &gt; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; =
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; =
&nbsp;&gt; "At present, IS-IS support for a given<br class=3D"">&nbsp; =
&nbsp; &gt; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; =
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; BIER domain/sub-domain is =
limited to a<br class=3D"">&nbsp; &nbsp; &gt; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; =
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; =
&nbsp; single area - or to the IS-IS L2 sub-domain."<br class=3D"">&nbsp; =
&nbsp; &gt; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; =
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&gt;<br class=3D"">&nbsp; =
&nbsp; &gt; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; =
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&gt; If you believe this =
would be helpful I<br class=3D"">&nbsp; &nbsp; &gt; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; =
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; =
&nbsp; will spin a new version (subject to<br class=3D"">&nbsp; &nbsp; =
&gt; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; =
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; review/agreement from my =
co-authors).<br class=3D"">&nbsp; &nbsp; &gt; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; =
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; =
&nbsp; &nbsp;&gt;<br class=3D"">&nbsp; &nbsp; &gt; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; =
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; =
&nbsp; &nbsp;&gt; &nbsp; &nbsp;Les<br class=3D"">&nbsp; &nbsp; &gt; =
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; =
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&gt;<br class=3D"">&nbsp; &nbsp; &gt; =
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; =
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&gt;<br class=3D"">&nbsp; &nbsp; &gt; =
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; =
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&gt; &gt; -----Original =
Message-----<br class=3D"">&nbsp; &nbsp; &gt; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; =
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; =
&nbsp; &nbsp;&gt; &gt; From: Toerless Eckert<br class=3D"">&nbsp; &nbsp; =
&gt; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; =
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; [mailto:[email protected] =
&lt;mailto:[email protected]&gt;]<br class=3D"">&nbsp; &nbsp; &gt; &nbsp; =
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; =
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&gt; &gt; Sent: Saturday, July 22, 2017 6:34 =
AM<br class=3D"">&nbsp; &nbsp; &gt; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; =
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; =
&nbsp;&gt; &gt; To: Les Ginsberg (ginsberg)<br class=3D"">&nbsp; &nbsp; =
&gt; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; =
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&gt; &gt; Cc: Tony Przygienda; =
Hannes Gredler<br class=3D"">&nbsp; &nbsp; &gt; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; =
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; =
&nbsp; ([email protected]<br class=3D"">&nbsp; &nbsp; &gt; &nbsp; &nbsp; =
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; =
&nbsp; &nbsp; &lt;mailto:[email protected]&gt;); Greg Shepherd;<br =
class=3D"">&nbsp; &nbsp; &gt; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; =
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&gt; =
&gt;&nbsp;[email protected]&nbsp;&lt;mailto:[email protected]&gt;;<br =
class=3D"">&nbsp; &nbsp; &gt; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; =
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; =
&nbsp;&nbsp;[email protected]&nbsp;&lt;mailto:[email protected]&gt;<br =
class=3D"">&nbsp; &nbsp; &gt; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; =
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; list; Christian =
Hopps<br class=3D"">&nbsp; &nbsp; &gt; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; =
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; =
&nbsp;&gt; &gt; Subject: Re: [Bier] WGLC:<br class=3D"">&nbsp; &nbsp; =
&gt; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; =
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; draft-ietf-bier-isis-extensions-04<br =
class=3D"">&nbsp; &nbsp; &gt; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; =
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&gt; =
&gt;<br class=3D"">&nbsp; &nbsp; &gt; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; =
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; =
&nbsp;&gt; &gt; Thanks Les<br class=3D"">&nbsp; &nbsp; &gt; &nbsp; =
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; =
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&gt; &gt;<br class=3D"">&nbsp; &nbsp; &gt; =
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; =
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&gt; &gt; When searching various terms =
in the doc<br class=3D"">&nbsp; &nbsp; &gt; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; =
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; to =
figure out what happens i am not<br class=3D"">&nbsp; &nbsp; &gt; &nbsp; =
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; =
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&gt; &gt; sure why i missed this one.<br =
class=3D"">&nbsp; &nbsp; &gt; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; =
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&gt; =
&gt;<br class=3D"">&nbsp; &nbsp; &gt; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; =
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; =
&nbsp;&gt; &gt; But: IMHO, RFCs can not only be the<br class=3D"">&nbsp; =
&nbsp; &gt; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; =
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; minimum number of words to get =
a<br class=3D"">&nbsp; &nbsp; &gt; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; =
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; =
&nbsp;&gt; &gt; running implementation. It also needs<br class=3D"">&nbsp;=
 &nbsp; &gt; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; =
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; to specify what this =
implementation<br class=3D"">&nbsp; &nbsp; &gt; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; =
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; =
&nbsp; &nbsp;&gt; &gt; intends to achieve. Otherwise its not<br =
class=3D"">&nbsp; &nbsp; &gt; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; =
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; possible to do a =
useful review:<br class=3D"">&nbsp; &nbsp; &gt; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; =
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; =
&nbsp; &nbsp;&gt; &gt; The reviewer can to verify whether the<br =
class=3D"">&nbsp; &nbsp; &gt; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; =
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; spec will =
achieve what it claims to<br class=3D"">&nbsp; &nbsp; &gt; &nbsp; &nbsp; =
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; =
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&gt; &gt; achieve is there no definitionn of what<br =
class=3D"">&nbsp; &nbsp; &gt; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; =
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; it claims to =
achieve.<br class=3D"">&nbsp; &nbsp; &gt; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; =
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; =
&nbsp;&gt; &gt;<br class=3D"">&nbsp; &nbsp; &gt; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; =
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; =
&nbsp; &nbsp;&gt; &gt; If i understand ISIS correctly, my<br =
class=3D"">&nbsp; &nbsp; &gt; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; =
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; reverse =
engineering of the intent is:<br class=3D"">&nbsp; &nbsp; &gt; &nbsp; =
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; =
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&gt; &gt;<br class=3D"">&nbsp; &nbsp; &gt; =
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; =
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&gt; &gt; - BIER TLVs stay within =
single ISIS<br class=3D"">&nbsp; &nbsp; &gt; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; =
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; =
areas. BFIR and BFER must therefore be<br class=3D"">&nbsp; &nbsp; &gt; =
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; =
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&gt; &gt; &nbsp; in the same ISIS =
area: There is no<br class=3D"">&nbsp; &nbsp; &gt; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; =
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; =
&nbsp; inter-area BIER traffic possible<br class=3D"">&nbsp; &nbsp; &gt; =
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; =
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&gt; &gt; &nbsp; with this =
specification. This is also<br class=3D"">&nbsp; &nbsp; &gt; &nbsp; =
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; =
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; true for ISIS area 0.<br class=3D"">&nbsp; &nbsp; =
&gt; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; =
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&gt; &gt;<br class=3D"">&nbsp; =
&nbsp; &gt; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; =
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&gt; &gt; - The same =
BIER sub-domain identifiers<br class=3D"">&nbsp; &nbsp; &gt; &nbsp; =
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; =
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; can be re-used<br class=3D"">&nbsp; &nbsp; &gt; =
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; =
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&gt; &gt; &nbsp; across different ISIS =
areas without<br class=3D"">&nbsp; &nbsp; &gt; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; =
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; =
&nbsp; any current impact. If these BFR-IDs<br class=3D"">&nbsp; &nbsp; =
&gt; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; =
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&gt; &gt; &nbsp; are =
non-overlapping, then this would<br class=3D"">&nbsp; &nbsp; &gt; &nbsp; =
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; =
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; allow in the future to create a single<br =
class=3D"">&nbsp; &nbsp; &gt; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; =
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&gt; &gt; =
&nbsp; cross ISIS area BIER sub-domain by<br class=3D"">&nbsp; &nbsp; =
&gt; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; =
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; leaking TLVs for such a BIER =
sub-domain<br class=3D"">&nbsp; &nbsp; &gt; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; =
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; =
&nbsp;&gt; &gt; &nbsp; across ISIS levels. Leakage is<br class=3D"">&nbsp;=
 &nbsp; &gt; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; =
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; outside the scope of this =
specificication.<br class=3D"">&nbsp; &nbsp; &gt; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; =
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; =
&nbsp; &nbsp;&gt; &gt;<br class=3D"">&nbsp; &nbsp; &gt; &nbsp; &nbsp; =
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; =
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&gt; &gt; I actually even would like to do the<br =
class=3D"">&nbsp; &nbsp; &gt; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; =
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; following:<br =
class=3D"">&nbsp; &nbsp; &gt; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; =
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&gt; =
&gt;<br class=3D"">&nbsp; &nbsp; &gt; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; =
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; =
&nbsp;&gt; &gt; - If BIER sub-domains are made to span<br =
class=3D"">&nbsp; &nbsp; &gt; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; =
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; multiple ISIS =
areas and BFR-ids<br class=3D"">&nbsp; &nbsp; &gt; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; =
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; =
&nbsp; &nbsp;&gt; &gt; assignemtns<br class=3D"">&nbsp; &nbsp; &gt; =
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; =
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&gt; &gt; &nbsp; are made such that =
all BFR-ids with<br class=3D"">&nbsp; &nbsp; &gt; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; =
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; =
&nbsp; the same SI are in the same ISIS ara,<br class=3D"">&nbsp; &nbsp; =
&gt; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; =
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&gt; &gt; &nbsp; then it should =
be in the future<br class=3D"">&nbsp; &nbsp; &gt; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; =
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; =
&nbsp; reasonably easy to create inter-area BIER<br class=3D"">&nbsp; =
&nbsp; &gt; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; =
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&gt; &gt; &nbsp; not by =
leaking of the BIER TLV but by<br class=3D"">&nbsp; &nbsp; &gt; &nbsp; =
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; =
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; having BFIR MPLS unicastBIER packets<br =
class=3D"">&nbsp; &nbsp; &gt; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; =
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&gt; &gt; =
&nbsp; for different SIs to an appropriate<br class=3D"">&nbsp; &nbsp; =
&gt; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; =
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; L2L1 BFIR that is part of the =
destination<br class=3D"">&nbsp; &nbsp; &gt; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; =
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; =
&nbsp;&gt; &gt; area/SI.<br class=3D"">&nbsp; &nbsp; &gt; &nbsp; &nbsp; =
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; =
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&gt; &gt; &nbsp; (if you would use SI number that =
are<br class=3D"">&nbsp; &nbsp; &gt; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; =
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; the same =
as ISIS area numbers then<br class=3D"">&nbsp; &nbsp; &gt; &nbsp; &nbsp; =
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; =
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&gt; &gt; &nbsp; &nbsp;you could probably do this =
without<br class=3D"">&nbsp; &nbsp; &gt; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; =
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; =
any new signaling. Not quite sure if<br class=3D"">&nbsp; &nbsp; &gt; =
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; =
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&gt; &gt; &nbsp; &nbsp;you can today =
easily find L1L2<br class=3D"">&nbsp; &nbsp; &gt; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; =
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; =
&nbsp; border router for another area via existing<br class=3D"">&nbsp; =
&nbsp; &gt; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; =
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&gt; &gt; &nbsp; =
&nbsp;TLVs).<br class=3D"">&nbsp; &nbsp; &gt; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; =
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; =
&nbsp; &nbsp;&gt; &gt;<br class=3D"">&nbsp; &nbsp; &gt; &nbsp; &nbsp; =
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; =
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&gt; &gt; &nbsp; Alas, this idea will probably be<br =
class=3D"">&nbsp; &nbsp; &gt; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; =
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; killed because =
of the BIER architecture<br class=3D"">&nbsp; &nbsp; &gt; &nbsp; &nbsp; =
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; =
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&gt; &gt; &nbsp; intent not to engineer SI =
assignments<br class=3D"">&nbsp; &nbsp; &gt; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; =
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; in =
geographical fashions to<br class=3D"">&nbsp; &nbsp; &gt; &nbsp; &nbsp; =
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; =
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&gt; &gt; &nbsp; minimize traffic duplication in =
the<br class=3D"">&nbsp; &nbsp; &gt; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; =
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; presence =
of multiple SIs.<br class=3D"">&nbsp; &nbsp; &gt; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; =
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; =
&nbsp; &nbsp;&gt; &gt;<br class=3D"">&nbsp; &nbsp; &gt; &nbsp; &nbsp; =
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; =
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&gt; &gt; Cheers<br class=3D"">&nbsp; &nbsp; &gt; =
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; =
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&gt; &gt; &nbsp; &nbsp; Toerless<br =
class=3D"">&nbsp; &nbsp; &gt; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; =
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&gt; =
&gt;<br class=3D"">&nbsp; &nbsp; &gt; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; =
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; =
&nbsp;&gt; &gt; On Sat, Jul 22, 2017 at 06:03:53AM<br class=3D"">&nbsp; =
&nbsp; &gt; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; =
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; +0000, Les Ginsberg (ginsberg) =
wrote:<br class=3D"">&nbsp; &nbsp; &gt; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; =
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; =
&nbsp;&gt; &gt; &gt; Tony/Toerless ???<br class=3D"">&nbsp; &nbsp; &gt; =
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; =
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&gt; &gt; &gt;<br class=3D"">&nbsp; =
&nbsp; &gt; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; =
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&gt; &gt; &gt; There is =
an explicit statement as to<br class=3D"">&nbsp; &nbsp; &gt; &nbsp; =
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; =
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; scope:<br class=3D"">&nbsp; &nbsp; &gt; &nbsp; =
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; =
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&gt; &gt; &gt;<br class=3D"">&nbsp; &nbsp; =
&gt; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; =
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&gt; &gt; &gt; &lt;snip&gt;<br =
class=3D"">&nbsp; &nbsp; &gt; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; =
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&gt; &gt; =
&gt; Section 4.2<br class=3D"">&nbsp; &nbsp; &gt; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; =
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; =
&nbsp; &nbsp;&gt; &gt; &gt; ???<br class=3D"">&nbsp; &nbsp; &gt; &nbsp; =
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; =
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&gt; &gt; &gt; &nbsp; &nbsp;o &nbsp;BIER =
sub-TLVs MUST NOT be<br class=3D"">&nbsp; &nbsp; &gt; &nbsp; &nbsp; =
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; =
&nbsp; &nbsp; included when a prefix reachability<br class=3D"">&nbsp; =
&nbsp; &gt; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; =
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&gt; &gt; &gt; &nbsp; =
&nbsp; &nbsp; advertisement is leaked between<br class=3D"">&nbsp; =
&nbsp; &gt; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; =
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; levels.<br class=3D"">&nbsp; =
&nbsp; &gt; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; =
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&gt; &gt; &gt; &lt;end =
snip&gt;<br class=3D"">&nbsp; &nbsp; &gt; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; =
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; =
&nbsp;&gt; &gt; &gt;<br class=3D"">&nbsp; &nbsp; &gt; &nbsp; &nbsp; =
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; =
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&gt; &gt; &gt; Tony seems to have forgotten that =
we<br class=3D"">&nbsp; &nbsp; &gt; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; =
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; had a =
discussion about how BIER<br class=3D"">&nbsp; &nbsp; &gt; &nbsp; &nbsp; =
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; =
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&gt; &gt; might be supported across areas and the<br =
class=3D"">&nbsp; &nbsp; &gt; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; =
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; conclusion was =
we did not know<br class=3D"">&nbsp; &nbsp; &gt; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; =
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; =
&nbsp; &nbsp;&gt; &gt; how to do that yet.<br class=3D"">&nbsp; &nbsp; =
&gt; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; =
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&gt; &gt; &gt; (Sorry Tony)<br =
class=3D"">&nbsp; &nbsp; &gt; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; =
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&gt; &gt; =
&gt;<br class=3D"">&nbsp; &nbsp; &gt; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; =
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; =
&nbsp;&gt; &gt; &gt; Note this is ???consistent??? with<br =
class=3D"">&nbsp; &nbsp; &gt; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; =
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; =
&nbsp;&nbsp;https://www.ietf.org/id/draft-ietf-bier-<br class=3D"">&nbsp; =
&nbsp; &gt; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; =
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; =
&lt;https://www.ietf.org/id/draft-ietf-bier-&gt;<br class=3D"">&nbsp; =
&nbsp; &gt; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; =
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&gt; &gt; =
ospf-bier-extensions-07.txt Section<br class=3D"">&nbsp; &nbsp; &gt; =
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; =
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; =
2.5&lt;https://www.ietf.org/id/draft-ietf-<br class=3D"">&nbsp; =
&nbsp;&nbsp;&gt; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; =
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; =
&lt;https://www.ietf.org/id/draft-ietf-&gt;<br class=3D"">&nbsp; &nbsp; =
&gt; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; =
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&gt; &gt;<br class=3D"">&nbsp; =
&nbsp; &gt; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; =
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; =
bier-ospf-bier-extensions-07.txt%20Section%202.5&gt;<br class=3D"">&nbsp; =
&nbsp; &gt; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; =
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; - which limits the<br =
class=3D"">&nbsp; &nbsp; &gt; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; =
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&gt; &gt; =
flooding scope of BIER information to a<br class=3D"">&nbsp; &nbsp; &gt; =
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; =
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; single area unless it can be validated<br =
class=3D"">&nbsp; &nbsp; &gt; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; =
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&gt; &gt; =
that the best path to the prefix with<br class=3D"">&nbsp; &nbsp; &gt; =
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; =
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; BIER info can be validated to be to a<br =
class=3D"">&nbsp; &nbsp; &gt; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; =
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&gt; &gt; =
router which itself advertised the BIER<br class=3D"">&nbsp; &nbsp; &gt; =
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; =
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; info. This is not something IS-IS can do<br =
class=3D"">&nbsp; &nbsp; &gt; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; =
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&gt; &gt; =
since a single IS-IS instance only<br class=3D"">&nbsp; &nbsp; &gt; =
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; =
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; supports one area and therefore does not<br =
class=3D"">&nbsp; &nbsp; &gt; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; =
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&gt; &gt; =
have the Level-1 advertisements of the<br class=3D"">&nbsp; &nbsp; &gt; =
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; =
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; originating router when that router is<br =
class=3D"">&nbsp; &nbsp; &gt; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; =
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&gt; &gt; =
in another area.<br class=3D"">&nbsp; &nbsp; &gt; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; =
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; =
&nbsp; &nbsp;&gt; &gt; &gt;<br class=3D"">&nbsp; &nbsp; &gt; &nbsp; =
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; =
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&gt; &gt; &gt; A few more responses =
inline.<br class=3D"">&nbsp; &nbsp; &gt; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; =
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; =
&nbsp;&gt; &gt; &gt;<br class=3D"">&nbsp; &nbsp; &gt; &nbsp; &nbsp; =
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; =
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&gt; &gt; &gt; From: BIER<br class=3D"">&nbsp; =
&nbsp; &gt; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; =
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; =
[mailto:[email protected]<br class=3D"">&nbsp; &nbsp; &gt; &nbsp; =
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; =
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &lt;mailto:[email protected]&gt;] On Behalf =
Of<br class=3D"">&nbsp; &nbsp; &gt; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; =
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; Tony =
Przygienda<br class=3D"">&nbsp; &nbsp; &gt; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; =
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; =
&nbsp;&gt; &gt; &gt; Sent: Friday, July 21, 2017 5:17 AM<br =
class=3D"">&nbsp; &nbsp; &gt; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; =
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&gt; &gt; =
&gt; To: Toerless Eckert<br class=3D"">&nbsp; &nbsp; &gt; &nbsp; &nbsp; =
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; =
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&gt; &gt; &gt; Cc: Hannes Gredler =
([email protected]<br class=3D"">&nbsp; &nbsp; &gt; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; =
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; =
&nbsp; &lt;mailto:[email protected]&gt;); Greg Shepherd;<br =
class=3D"">&nbsp; &nbsp; &gt; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; =
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; =
&nbsp;&nbsp;[email protected]&nbsp;&lt;mailto:[email protected]&gt;;<br =
class=3D"">&nbsp; &nbsp; &gt; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; =
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&gt; &gt; =
&gt;&nbsp;[email protected]<br class=3D"">&nbsp; &nbsp; &gt; &nbsp; =
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; =
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &lt;mailto:[email protected]&gt; list; Christian =
Hopps<br class=3D"">&nbsp; &nbsp; &gt; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; =
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; =
&nbsp;&gt; &gt; &gt; Subject: Re: [Bier] WGLC:<br class=3D"">&nbsp; =
&nbsp; &gt; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; =
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; =
draft-ietf-bier-isis-extensions-04<br class=3D"">&nbsp; &nbsp; &gt; =
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; =
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&gt; &gt; &gt;<br class=3D"">&nbsp; =
&nbsp; &gt; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; =
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&gt; &gt; &gt; =
Terminology is a bit nits &nbsp;IMO since<br class=3D"">&nbsp; &nbsp; =
&gt; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; =
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; the doc is reading clear enough =
for<br class=3D"">&nbsp; &nbsp; &gt; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; =
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; =
&nbsp;&gt; &gt; someone who read BIER &amp; ISIS. I can<br =
class=3D"">&nbsp; &nbsp; &gt; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; =
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; reread it or Les =
can comment whether<br class=3D"">&nbsp; &nbsp; &gt; &nbsp; &nbsp; =
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; =
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&gt; &gt; we should tighten glossary ...<br =
class=3D"">&nbsp; &nbsp; &gt; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; =
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&gt; &gt; =
&gt;<br class=3D"">&nbsp; &nbsp; &gt; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; =
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; =
&nbsp;&gt; &gt; &gt; With the scope I agree, that got lost<br =
class=3D"">&nbsp; &nbsp; &gt; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; =
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; and the doc =
should be possibly rev'ed<br class=3D"">&nbsp; &nbsp; &gt; &nbsp; &nbsp; =
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; =
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&gt; &gt; before closing LC. Yes, we flood AD<br =
class=3D"">&nbsp; &nbsp; &gt; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; =
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; wide was the =
agreement but something<br class=3D"">&nbsp; &nbsp; &gt; &nbsp; &nbsp; =
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; =
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&gt; &gt; mentioning that this could change in<br =
class=3D"">&nbsp; &nbsp; &gt; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; =
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; the future is =
good so we are forced to<br class=3D"">&nbsp; &nbsp; &gt; &nbsp; &nbsp; =
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; =
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&gt; &gt; give it some thought how that would<br =
class=3D"">&nbsp; &nbsp; &gt; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; =
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; transition =
...<br class=3D"">&nbsp; &nbsp; &gt; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; =
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; =
&nbsp;&gt; &gt; &gt;<br class=3D"">&nbsp; &nbsp; &gt; &nbsp; &nbsp; =
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; =
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&gt; &gt; &gt; Thinking further though, in ISIS =
we<br class=3D"">&nbsp; &nbsp; &gt; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; =
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; have a =
clean document really. The &nbsp;BIER<br class=3D"">&nbsp; &nbsp; &gt; =
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; =
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&gt; &gt; sub-TLVs go into well =
defined TLVs in<br class=3D"">&nbsp; &nbsp; &gt; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; =
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; =
&nbsp; terms of flooding scope. Normal L1-L2<br class=3D"">&nbsp; &nbsp; =
&gt; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; =
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&gt; &gt; redistribution can be =
used to get the<br class=3D"">&nbsp; &nbsp; &gt; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; =
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; =
&nbsp; info to all needed places AFAIS. So<br class=3D"">&nbsp; &nbsp; =
&gt; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; =
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&gt; &gt; maybe nothing needs =
to be written. I<br class=3D"">&nbsp; &nbsp; &gt; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; =
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; =
&nbsp; wait for Les to chime in.<br class=3D"">&nbsp; &nbsp; &gt; &nbsp; =
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; =
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&gt; &gt; &gt;<br class=3D"">&nbsp; &nbsp; =
&gt; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; =
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&gt; &gt; &gt; OSPF I would =
have to look @ scopes<br class=3D"">&nbsp; &nbsp; &gt; &nbsp; &nbsp; =
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; =
&nbsp; &nbsp; again &amp; think whether we need to<br class=3D"">&nbsp; =
&nbsp; &gt; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; =
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&gt; &gt; write =
something or maybe Peter can<br class=3D"">&nbsp; &nbsp; &gt; &nbsp; =
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; =
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; comment ...<br class=3D"">&nbsp; &nbsp; &gt; &nbsp; =
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; =
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&gt; &gt; &gt;<br class=3D"">&nbsp; &nbsp; =
&gt; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; =
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&gt; &gt; &gt; --- tony<br =
class=3D"">&nbsp; &nbsp; &gt; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; =
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&gt; &gt; =
&gt;<br class=3D"">&nbsp; &nbsp; &gt; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; =
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; =
&nbsp;&gt; &gt; &gt;<br class=3D"">&nbsp; &nbsp; &gt; &nbsp; &nbsp; =
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; =
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&gt; &gt; &gt;<br class=3D"">&nbsp; &nbsp; &gt; =
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; =
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&gt; &gt; &gt; On Fri, Jul 21, 2017 at =
8:27 AM,<br class=3D"">&nbsp; &nbsp; &gt; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; =
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; =
Toerless Eckert<br class=3D"">&nbsp; &nbsp; &gt; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; =
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; =
&nbsp; &nbsp;&gt; &gt; &lt;[email protected]<br class=3D"">&nbsp; =
&nbsp;&nbsp;&gt; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; =
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; =
&lt;mailto:[email protected]&gt;&lt;mailto:[email protected]<br class=3D"">&nbsp; =
&nbsp;&nbsp;&gt; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; =
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; =
&lt;mailto:[email protected]&gt;&gt;&gt; wrote:<br class=3D"">&nbsp; &nbsp; =
&gt; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; =
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&gt; &gt; &gt; Sorry, past the =
two weeks, but<br class=3D"">&nbsp; &nbsp; &gt; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; =
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; =
&nbsp; hopefully &nbsp;benign textual comments:<br class=3D"">&nbsp; =
&nbsp; &gt; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; =
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&gt; &gt; &gt;<br =
class=3D"">&nbsp; &nbsp; &gt; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; =
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&gt; &gt; =
&gt; We tried to find an explicit<br class=3D"">&nbsp; &nbsp; &gt; =
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; =
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; statement about the scope of BIER TLVs - =
eg:<br class=3D"">&nbsp; &nbsp; &gt; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; =
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; =
&nbsp;&gt; &gt; &gt; are they meant to stay within an<br class=3D"">&nbsp;=
 &nbsp; &gt; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; =
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; area, have some redistribution =
across<br class=3D"">&nbsp; &nbsp; &gt; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; =
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; =
&nbsp;&gt; &gt; &gt; areas/levels or not.<br class=3D"">&nbsp; &nbsp; =
&gt; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; =
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&gt; &gt; &gt;<br =
class=3D"">&nbsp; &nbsp; &gt; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; =
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&gt; &gt; =
&gt; Tony said WG agreement was to have<br class=3D"">&nbsp; &nbsp; &gt; =
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; =
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; these TLV be flooded across the<br =
class=3D"">&nbsp; &nbsp; &gt; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; =
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&gt; &gt; =
&gt; whole ISIS domain for now (this<br class=3D"">&nbsp; &nbsp; &gt; =
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; =
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; draft). So an explicit statement to that<br =
class=3D"">&nbsp; &nbsp; &gt; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; =
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&gt; &gt; =
effect would<br class=3D"">&nbsp; &nbsp; &gt; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; =
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; =
&nbsp; &nbsp;&gt; &gt; &gt; be great (All BIER sub-domains TLVs<br =
class=3D"">&nbsp; &nbsp; &gt; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; =
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; are flooded =
across all ISIS areas/levels,<br class=3D"">&nbsp; &nbsp; &gt; &nbsp; =
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; =
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&gt; &gt; so they span the whole ISIS =
domain).<br class=3D"">&nbsp; &nbsp; &gt; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; =
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; =
&nbsp;&gt; &gt; &gt;<br class=3D"">&nbsp; &nbsp; &gt; &nbsp; &nbsp; =
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; =
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&gt; &gt; &gt; Also, if future work may/should =
could<br class=3D"">&nbsp; &nbsp; &gt; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; =
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; =
improve on that maybe some<br class=3D"">&nbsp; &nbsp; &gt; &nbsp; =
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; =
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&gt; &gt; &gt; sentence about that (i guess =
one<br class=3D"">&nbsp; &nbsp; &gt; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; =
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; could =
just have ISIS intra-area BIER sub-<br class=3D"">&nbsp; &nbsp; &gt; =
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; =
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&gt; &gt; domains ?).<br =
class=3D"">&nbsp; &nbsp; &gt; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; =
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&gt; &gt; =
&gt;<br class=3D"">&nbsp; &nbsp; &gt; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; =
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; =
&nbsp;&gt; &gt; &gt; Also: Do a check about possible<br class=3D"">&nbsp; =
&nbsp; &gt; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; =
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; ambiguity of any generic terms =
like<br class=3D"">&nbsp; &nbsp; &gt; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; =
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; =
&nbsp;&gt; &gt; sub-domain, level, area, topology so<br class=3D"">&nbsp; =
&nbsp; &gt; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; =
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; that reader that don't know =
the<br class=3D"">&nbsp; &nbsp; &gt; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; =
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; =
&nbsp;&gt; &gt; terminology ofall protocols (ISIS,<br class=3D"">&nbsp; =
&nbsp; &gt; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; =
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; BIER) by heart can easily know =
which<br class=3D"">&nbsp; &nbsp; &gt; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; =
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; =
&nbsp;&gt; &gt; protocol is referred to.<br class=3D"">&nbsp; &nbsp; =
&gt; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; =
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&gt; &gt; &gt;<br =
class=3D"">&nbsp; &nbsp; &gt; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; =
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&gt; &gt; =
&gt; [Les:] There is no mention of<br class=3D"">&nbsp; &nbsp; &gt; =
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; =
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; ???level??? in the document.<br =
class=3D"">&nbsp; &nbsp; &gt; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; =
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&gt; &gt; =
&gt; The use of ???sub-domain??? is<br class=3D"">&nbsp; &nbsp; &gt; =
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; =
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; clearly always associated with =
???BIER???.<br class=3D"">&nbsp; &nbsp; &gt; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; =
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; =
&nbsp;&gt; &gt; &gt; ???topology??? is always used as an<br =
class=3D"">&nbsp; &nbsp; &gt; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; =
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; RFC 5120 =
topology ??? therefore<br class=3D"">&nbsp; &nbsp; &gt; &nbsp; &nbsp; =
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; =
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&gt; &gt; clearly an IS-IS topology.<br =
class=3D"">&nbsp; &nbsp; &gt; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; =
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&gt; &gt; =
&gt; There is only one use of the term<br class=3D"">&nbsp; &nbsp; &gt; =
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; =
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; ???area??? (in Section 5.1). That text<br =
class=3D"">&nbsp; &nbsp; &gt; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; =
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&gt; &gt; =
might deserve a bit of clarification<br class=3D"">&nbsp; &nbsp; &gt; =
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; =
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; given this might be either a Level 1 area =
or<br class=3D"">&nbsp; &nbsp; &gt; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; =
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; =
&nbsp;&gt; &gt; the Level2 sub-domain. I???ll take a<br class=3D"">&nbsp; =
&nbsp; &gt; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; =
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; pass at it.<br class=3D"">&nbsp;=
 &nbsp; &gt; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; =
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&gt; &gt; &gt; (BTW ??? =
I am talking about IS-IS<br class=3D"">&nbsp; &nbsp; &gt; &nbsp; &nbsp; =
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; =
&nbsp; &nbsp; area/L2sub-domain Toerless. ???)<br class=3D"">&nbsp; =
&nbsp; &gt; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; =
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&gt; &gt; &gt;<br =
class=3D"">&nbsp; &nbsp; &gt; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; =
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&gt; &gt; =
&gt; I don???t see that any other<br class=3D"">&nbsp; &nbsp; &gt; =
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; =
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; clarification is needed ??? but Toerless ??? =
if<br class=3D"">&nbsp; &nbsp; &gt; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; =
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; =
&nbsp;&gt; &gt; you can point to any specific<br class=3D"">&nbsp; =
&nbsp; &gt; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; =
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; sentences/paragraphs which you =
find confusing<br class=3D"">&nbsp; &nbsp; &gt; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; =
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; =
&nbsp; &nbsp;&gt; &gt; - I???ll take a second look.<br class=3D"">&nbsp; =
&nbsp; &gt; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; =
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&gt; &gt; &gt;<br =
class=3D"">&nbsp; &nbsp; &gt; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; =
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&gt; &gt; =
&gt; &nbsp; &nbsp;Les<br class=3D"">&nbsp; &nbsp; &gt; &nbsp; &nbsp; =
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; =
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&gt; &gt; &gt;<br class=3D"">&nbsp; &nbsp; &gt; =
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; =
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&gt; &gt; &gt;<br class=3D"">&nbsp; =
&nbsp; &gt; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; =
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&gt; &gt; &gt; I guess =
there are no BIER level, area<br class=3D"">&nbsp; &nbsp; &gt; &nbsp; =
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; =
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; or topologies, but still makes<br class=3D"">&nbsp; =
&nbsp; &gt; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; =
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&gt; &gt; &gt; reading =
easier if the doc would say<br class=3D"">&nbsp; &nbsp; &gt; &nbsp; =
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; =
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; "ISIS level", "ISIS area", or at<br class=3D"">&nbsp;=
 &nbsp; &gt; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; =
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&gt; &gt; &gt; least =
have them in the Terminology<br class=3D"">&nbsp; &nbsp; &gt; &nbsp; =
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; =
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; section. And probably in<br class=3D"">&nbsp; =
&nbsp; &gt; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; =
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&gt; &gt; &gt; =
terminology say "domain -&gt; in the<br class=3D"">&nbsp; &nbsp; &gt; =
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; =
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; context of this document the BIER<br =
class=3D"">&nbsp; &nbsp; &gt; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; =
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&gt; &gt; =
domain which is also the same as the<br class=3D"">&nbsp; &nbsp; &gt; =
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; =
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; ISIS domain"<br class=3D"">&nbsp; &nbsp; =
&gt; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; =
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&gt; &gt; &gt; (which i hope is =
the correct<br class=3D"">&nbsp; &nbsp; &gt; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; =
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; =
statement, see above).<br class=3D"">&nbsp; &nbsp; &gt; &nbsp; &nbsp; =
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; =
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&gt; &gt; &gt;<br class=3D"">&nbsp; &nbsp; &gt; =
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; =
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&gt; &gt; &gt; Cheers<br =
class=3D"">&nbsp; &nbsp; &gt; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; =
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&gt; &gt; =
&gt; &nbsp; &nbsp; Toerless<br class=3D"">&nbsp; &nbsp; &gt; &nbsp; =
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; =
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&gt; &gt; &gt;<br class=3D"">&nbsp; &nbsp; =
&gt; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; =
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&gt; &gt; &gt;<br =
class=3D"">&nbsp; &nbsp; &gt; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; =
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; =
_______________________________________________<br class=3D"">&nbsp; =
&nbsp; &gt; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; =
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&gt; &gt; &gt; BIER =
mailing list<br class=3D"">&nbsp; &nbsp; &gt; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; =
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; =
&nbsp; &nbsp;&gt; &gt; &gt;&nbsp;[email protected]<br class=3D"">&nbsp; =
&nbsp; &gt; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; =
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; =
&lt;mailto:[email protected]&gt;&lt;mailto:[email protected]<br class=3D"">&nbsp; =
&nbsp;&nbsp;&gt; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; =
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; =
&lt;mailto:[email protected]&gt;&gt;<br class=3D"">&nbsp; &nbsp; &gt; &nbsp; =
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; =
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&gt; &gt; &gt;<br class=3D"">&nbsp; &nbsp; =
&gt; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; =
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; =
&nbsp;&nbsp;https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/bier<br =
class=3D"">&nbsp; &nbsp; &gt; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; =
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; =
&lt;https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/bier&gt;<br class=3D"">&nbsp; =
&nbsp; &gt; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; =
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&gt; &gt; &gt;<br =
class=3D"">&nbsp; &nbsp; &gt; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; =
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&gt; &gt; =
&gt;<br class=3D"">&nbsp; &nbsp; &gt; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; =
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; =
&nbsp;&gt; &gt; &gt;<br class=3D"">&nbsp; &nbsp; &gt; &nbsp; &nbsp; =
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; =
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&gt; &gt; &gt; --<br class=3D"">&nbsp; &nbsp; &gt; =
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; =
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&gt; &gt; &gt; We???ve heard that a =
million monkeys<br class=3D"">&nbsp; &nbsp; &gt; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; =
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; =
&nbsp; at a million keyboards could<br class=3D"">&nbsp; &nbsp; &gt; =
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; =
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&gt; &gt; produce the complete works =
of<br class=3D"">&nbsp; &nbsp; &gt; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; =
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; =
Shakespeare; now, thanks to the Internet,<br class=3D"">&nbsp; &nbsp; =
&gt; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; =
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&gt; &gt; we know that is not =
true.<br class=3D"">&nbsp; &nbsp; &gt; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; =
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; =
&nbsp;&gt; &gt; &gt; ???Robert Wilensky<br class=3D"">&nbsp; &nbsp; &gt; =
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; =
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&gt; &gt;<br class=3D"">&nbsp; &nbsp; =
&gt; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; =
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&gt; &gt; --<br class=3D"">&nbsp;=
 &nbsp; &gt; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; =
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&gt; &gt; ---<br =
class=3D"">&nbsp; &nbsp; &gt; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; =
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&gt; =
&gt;&nbsp;[email protected]&nbsp;&lt;mailto:[email protected]&gt;____<br =
class=3D"">&nbsp; &nbsp; &gt;<br class=3D"">&nbsp; &nbsp; &gt; &nbsp; =
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; =
&nbsp; __ __<br class=3D"">&nbsp; &nbsp; &gt;<br class=3D"">&nbsp; =
&nbsp; &gt;<br class=3D"">&nbsp; &nbsp; &gt;<br class=3D"">&nbsp; &nbsp; =
&gt;<br class=3D"">&nbsp; &nbsp; &gt; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; =
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; _______________________________________________<br =
class=3D"">&nbsp; &nbsp; &gt; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; =
&nbsp; &nbsp; BIER mailing list<br class=3D"">&nbsp; &nbsp; &gt; &nbsp; =
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; =
&nbsp;&nbsp;[email protected]&nbsp;&lt;mailto:[email protected]&gt;<br =
class=3D"">&nbsp; &nbsp; &gt; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; =
&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp;https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/bier<br =
class=3D"">&nbsp; &nbsp; &gt; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; =
&nbsp; &nbsp; &lt;https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/bier&gt;<br =
class=3D"">&nbsp; &nbsp; &gt;<br class=3D"">&nbsp; &nbsp; &gt;<br =
class=3D"">&nbsp; &nbsp; &gt;<br class=3D"">&nbsp; &nbsp; &gt;<br =
class=3D"">&nbsp; &nbsp; &gt;<br class=3D"">&nbsp; &nbsp; &gt;<br =
class=3D"">&nbsp; &nbsp; &gt;<br class=3D"">&nbsp; &nbsp; &gt; =
_______________________________________________<br class=3D"">&nbsp; =
&nbsp; &gt; BIER mailing list<br class=3D"">&nbsp; &nbsp; =
&gt;&nbsp;[email protected]<br class=3D"">&nbsp; &nbsp; =
&gt;&nbsp;https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/bier<br class=3D"">&nbsp; =
&nbsp; &gt;<br class=3D""><br class=3D"">&nbsp; &nbsp; =
_______________________________________________<br class=3D"">&nbsp; =
&nbsp; BIER mailing list<br class=3D"">&nbsp; =
&nbsp;&nbsp;[email protected]<br class=3D"">&nbsp; =
&nbsp;&nbsp;https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/bier<br class=3D""><br =
class=3D""><br class=3D"">&nbsp;<br =
class=3D"">_______________________________________________<br =
class=3D"">BIER mailing list<br class=3D"">[email protected]<br =
class=3D"">https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/bier<br =
class=3D"">&nbsp;<br class=3D"">&lt;image001.png&gt;<br =
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