Re: Federated realms and PAD

Simo Sorce <[email protected]>
Newsgroups gmane.ietf.krb-wg
Organization Red Hat, Inc.
Message-ID <[email protected]>
On Thu, 2012-02-16 at 08:36 -0500, Sam Hartman wrote:
> >>>>> "Nico" == Nico Williams <[email protected]> writes:
> 
>     Nico> so that it can get backed into scripts (I know, use $HOME).
>     Nico> And if we could rely on a global namespace, then I'd just drop
>     Nico> the URI thing.  But I don't think we can, not in federated
>     Nico> realms that aren't remotely in the same "administrative
>     Nico> domain", which I thought was part of what the PAD was all
>     Nico> about.
> 
> 
> So, I've been thinking about federated contexts a lot lately mostly for
> ABFAB but certainly beyond that.  When I explain why Kerberos is not
> federated, one of the biggest things I cite is that Kerberos has
> assumptions that bind it within one organization.

Do you have a write-up of what these assumptions are ?

> It's my understanding that the PAD has a very permissive trust
> model. Obviously we haven't written it down yet, so this is still open.
> However, it doesn't sound to me like the PAD intends to embrace
> federated cross-organizational contexts.  So, I think we can assume a
> high degree of trust between PAD producers and consumers.  That probably
> influences some of these discussions somewhat.

I am not sure the PAD itself is anything for/against federated
cross-organizational contexts. It is a matter of how much code/policy
decisions you want to put in your KDC filters. I think you could use the
PAD in a federated scenario, but int that case you may end up generating
on the KDC (or a dedicated service the KDC has access to) most of the
contents of the PAD when the cross realm TGS is used and a ticket is
requested.

Simo.

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Simo Sorce * Red Hat, Inc * New York

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