Re: Armenian (was: Re: ISO 639-3 changes, part 3)

Arthur Reutenauer <[email protected]>
Newsgroups gmane.ietf.languages
Message-ID <[email protected]>
On Thu, Mar 08, 2018 at 06:53:46PM +0000, Michael Everson wrote:
> That makes arevela redundant, since hy and hye/arm are Eastern Armenian. 

  Are they?

> Hm

  Exactly.

> according to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Armenian_language hye is “Modern Armenian” in 639-3. But Ethnologue just lists “Armenian” for hy and hye/arm. Same at https://www.loc.gov/standards/iso639-2/php/langcodes_name.php?code_ID=26

  The Wikipedia article is justified in adding “Modern”, since ISO 639-3
contains codes for Middle and Classical Armenian ([axm] and [xcl]
respectively), which -2 does not.  But whether or not hye/arm could mean
Classical or Middle Armenian in ISO 639-2 is irrelevant to the present
discussion (and a little silly).  What is clear if you have access to
the full Ethnologue database is that [hye] covers both Eastern and
Western Armenian.  From the 20th print edition, p. 359 of “Africa and
Europe”:

	Armenian [hye] A language of Armenia.  Total users in all
	countries: 5,169,640 ... Eastern Armenian (4,341,000) in Armenia
	and its Turkish and Iranian borderlands; Western Armenian
	(879,612) used elsewhere and only understood by some in Iran, etc.

  I do note that in the online edition of Ethnologue, Eastern Armenian
is listed as an alternate name (if you have page views left you can see
it at http://www-01.sil.org/iso639-3/documentation.asp?id=hye).  This
does however not seem very tangible evidence that [hye] only covers
Eastern Armenian since the description contains the text quoted above.

  (You’ll note that the numbers of speakers are not completely
consistent.)

	Best,

		Arthur

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