Re: Language Subtag Registration

I would agree.

Mark


On Thu, Aug 23, 2018 at 4:07 PM Gordon P. Hemsley <[email protected]> wrote:

> I object to this proposal.
>
> The registration makes the claim that Philadelphia English is "not a
> simple accent or set of colloquialisms", but then provides evidence that
> suggests just the opposite. No source has been provided that supports
> the notion that Philadelphia English is any more than a distinctive
> collection of phonological patterns and lexicon, a concept that is
> prevalent throughout English (and other languages), and I don't see why
> we would need a variant tag for each of them. In addition, many of the
> cited patterns and vocabulary are not unique to Philadelphia; each has
> its own gradient of use up and down the East Coast of the United States.
>
> In addition, one of the citations in the "other relevant information"
> section is about ASL, which is a distinct language from English and
> therefore not in fact relevant to the proposal.
>
> I recommend that this proposal be rejected.
>
> Gordon P. Hemsley
> [email protected]
> http://gphemsley.org/
>
> On 08/21/2018 03:06 PM, Nicholas Felker wrote:
> >    1. Name of requester: Nick Felker
> >    2. E-mail address of requester: nickfelker at gmail dot com
> >    3. Record Requested:
> >
> >       Type: variant
> >       Subtag: philly
> >       Description: Philadelphia dialect of US English
> >       Prefix: en-US
> >
> >    4. Intended meaning of the subtag:
> >
> > The specific dialect of English as people speak in Philadelphia and the
> > surrounding neighborhoods. This is not a simple accent or set of
> > colloquialisms. I would argue that it is a unique variant of standard US
> > English which has its own set of vocabulary, grammatical rules, and
> > pronunciations that make it distinct in comparison to language used in
> > other regions.
> >
> > It is a blend of language which has evolved due to the cultural
> > diversity of the city, with a mix of African American Vernacular English
> > along with European immigrants from varying nations over several
> centuries.
> >
> > As stated in section 3.6 of the RFC 5646, "variations within a
> > language...or distinguishing variation MAY be registered as variant
> > subtags". I believe that there is sufficient evidence to state that
> > Philadelphia English is considered a distinguishing variation. This
> > language variant has received ample study over the past several decades
> > in both a colloquial setting as well as from professional linguists.
> >
> >    5. Reference to published description
> >       of the language (book or article):
> >
> > The role of African Americans in Philadelphia sound change - William
> Labov
> >
> https://www.cambridge.org/core/journals/language-variation-and-change/article/role-of-african-americans-in-philadelphia-sound-change/9685036E424DB63B70D06FF8A66AA67F
> >
> > A Jawn by Any Other Name: A Sociolinguistic Analysis of the Philadelphia
> > Dialect - Ryan Hall
> >
> https://digitalcommons.lasalle.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1032&context=honors_projects
> >
> >    6. Any other relevant information:
> >
> > Philadelphia English - Wikipedia
> > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philadelphia_English
> >
> > Project by Penn linguists documents Philadelphia accent in ASL
> >
> https://penntoday.upenn.edu/2016-01-21/research/project-penn-linguists-documents-philadelphia-accent-asl
> >
> >
> >
> >
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